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Would I get found out in the ME?
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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: Would I get found out in the ME? Reply with quote

In Japan my experiece has been that most teaching is more akin to oral comminucation prcatise. I am very good at providing fun, communicative classes that get otherwise quiet Japanese talking and having fun.

For example, I have never had to teach "new grammar" as students have studied anything I would give them before at high school.

To be honest I wonder if I am a good teacher as such or more a good teacher in Japan.

I work around my poor spelling and grammar in Japan (even in my writing classes) I wonder if I could do the same in the Gulf.
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sisyphus



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can learn the Grammar. The Parry book is good. But spelling? I dont know, I once employed a young teacher and he would run from the classroom into my room and ask me 'How do you spell..........' etc.
It was poor but in those days you would take any native speaker you could find. Not now though.
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With Malice Toward None



Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Would I get found out in the ME? Reply with quote

Nabby Adams wrote:
In Japan my experiece has been that most teaching is more akin to oral comminucation prcatise. I am very good at providing fun, communicative classes that get otherwise quiet Japanese talking and having fun.

For example, I have never had to teach "new grammar" as students have studied anything I would give them before at high school.

To be honest I wonder if I am a good teacher as such or more a good teacher in Japan.

I work around my poor spelling and grammar in Japan (even in my writing classes) I wonder if I could do the same in the Gulf.


Dear Nabby,
Make sure you are qualified and the certs and testimonials are bonafide before you apply/accept. You should always try to improve your language skills but don't think that have to wait till you feel you are better than G. B. Shaw.
It's not that difficult at all to be a good teacher. (I am not saying I am one). First identify the learning objectives in your classes. Do they need a special kind of vocabulary, or do they just need to speak some English, etc. There are lots and lots of sites from where you can download all that you need to keep your lessons lively for long. Search on google.
That you are able to 'wonder' whether you are a good teacher is by a itself good sign. A good teacher can work wonders and I wish you all the best.
WMTN.


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15yearsinQ8



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beware of anyone who says - it's not that difficult at all to be a good teacher -
and who says - you can download all you need (from the Internet)
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15yearsinQ8



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if i'm a good driver when all i've done is drive tanks......
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With Malice Toward None



Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

15yearsinQ8 wrote:
beware of anyone who says - it's not that difficult at all to be a good teacher -
and who says - you can download all you need (from the Internet)

15yearsinQ8,
I have been teaching Arab learners of English for the last decade and previously, in my own country, children and young men and women for many more years, and, who gives you the right to caution someone against me, you graceless soul?
Listen if you can. Teaching is the most effortless and enjoyable thing on earth if we and our students know what we are there for.
The teacher I have been talking to obviously had no readymade teaching material and had to produce or improvise on a day-to-day basis. That's why I suggested the internet. Dave's itself provides a lot of useful material. Anything wrong in that?
WMTN.
PS. If you don't care about your own capitals, whom do you expect to?
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norwalkesl



Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With Malice Toward None wrote:
PS. If you don't care about your own capitals, whom do you expect to?


I am just beginning my TEFL career.

One of my major goals is to maintain the self discipline to never correct another persons grammar, spelling, diction or punctuation usage outside of the classroom.
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear norwalkesl,

But if you ever get the urge, please feel free to correct my grammar , spelling, diction, or punctuation usage anytime.

What's the use of making mistakes unless you have the opportunity to learn from them?


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John
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:

What's the use of making mistakes unless you have the opportunity to learn from them?

Well put, John. This is my mantra. Mistakes in the classroom are good learning experiences. On test day, they are bad failing experiences...


Regards,
John


NCTBA
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Deicide



Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do Arab learners of English generally know the IPA such that one can use it without hesitation?
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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Deicide,

In my experience, nope.

But then, in my opinion, that's no great drawback. Not that I'm an all-out proponent of "whole language", but, like most issues in academia, this tends to get polarized, with the result being an "all or nothing" approach.

I subscribe to the eclectic approach - use the best of everything: whatever works. And that can/will be different with different students.

Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to know Grammar to teach in ME. Not much but enough to understand, and explain the difference between tenses !

As for the IPA, forget it !
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm, just to prevent any possible - if unlikely - misunderstanding:

IPA here refers to the International Phonetic Alphabet, not to the Institute of Public Administration (in Riyadh, Jeddah and Dammam) nor to India Pale Ale.

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John
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With Malice Toward None



Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deicide,
Forget about IPA in the Arabic pre-univ. level context. But when your guys are going to sit exams which include higher lexical register they need to put their vowels and consonants properly. Especially when they are thinking of sitting IELTS, etc. This is what I learnt from helping guys to do dissertations, IELTS and so on.
And if you know where your student need to be helped, it helps him/her and you get paid well, too. A Kuwaiti student took me to coffee at Starbucks, we spent some time together, he left me home and before we parted gave me about 125 dollars as a gift apart from the agreed fee. Surprised because he got his certificate that day, which, without my guidance, he couldn't have. Very Happy
Good luck
WMTN.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can try and teach the IPA but will meet fierce resistance, both from students and from colleagues.
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