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roywebcafe
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 Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: Trinity TESOL or DELTA |
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Anybody have information or advice about which one to take? I took a CELTA last February but told that a DELTA is more for people who want to be a DOS.
Saying that is a CELTA good prep for a Trinity Tesol? Or how about an alternative to either? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it is true that a lot of people say that DELTA is for aspiring DOSes, but I think that that is a bit of a misconception. The course has no explicit preparation for being a DOS, nor anything like management training either. Schools and bosses just seem to assume that a DELTAed teacher would be the best for the DOS job. Often that assumption is correct, but only because having a DELTA would help out hugely with teacher support, and because a lot of other staff in a typical school are usually quite newly-qualified and inexperienced. But the DELTA itself is not actually intended for DOS training. It designed to make you a better teacher - that's all.
Not sure what you mean by the Trinity TESOL. I assume you mean the Diploma? If so, both the Trinity and Cambridge Dips focus on largely the same areas, and your CELTA will be as good a foundation for one as the other.
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: Snobbishness surrounding the DELTA |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| But the DELTA itself is not actually intended for DOS training. It designed to make you a better teacher - that's all. |
Try telling that to the three tutors who work for a university in England who interviewed me in early '09 for a job teaching international students English for Academic Purposes (EAP) and rejected me simply because I didn't have the DELTA! 
To them, the DELTA is like the Holy Grail - you are considered to be virtually worthless without it in spite of the fact that I have so far accumulated eight years of TESOL experience, including the last 4 1/2 in teaching EAP.
I believe that it would not have mattered to them a single jot had I by then accumulated 10, 20, even 30 years' experience in TESOL/EAP. If the DELTA is really meant to prepare one to be "a better teacher", it seems that those tutors take it as virtual gospel that one must not necessarily be one in spite of however many years of TESOL/EAP experience a candidate may have.
Needless to say, I was extremely angry (albeit not to their face!) and sought restitution for their having failed even to check in advance as to whether or not I had the DELTA. I accused them of incompetence, because they were, indeed, incompetent for having failed even to check the information about me. The chances are that a properly qualified HR person in a large company would have been sacked for doing this, but, since they were tutors, they were safe.
Nevertheless, I filed an official complaint with the university and I was offered �300 compensation for time and money wasted (I had, after all, come halfway round the world for the interview!), which I did accept. I just hope that the university "fined" them �100 each to make up for this!
To them, the DELTA must be the equivalent of an Oxford BA degree - if you don't have it, you're not good enough. Talk about snobbery!
(By the way, it was not at the University of Oxford that the interview took place, in case you are wondering!) |
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Trinity TESOL or DELTA |
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| roywebcafe wrote: |
Anybody have information or advice about which one to take? I took a CELTA last February but told that a DELTA is more for people who want to be a DOS.
Saying that is a CELTA good prep for a Trinity Tesol? Or how about an alternative to either? |
CELTA and Trinity are equivalents but certified and monitored by different organizations. They would have a great deal of overlap, and it would only make sense to get one. CELTA is the one most widely known in the industry.
There is also the SIT Tesol from Brattleboro, Vt, USA that teaches a different approach to learning than the CELTA.
Trinity has a bit more on teaching young learners than the CELTA or SIT. |
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