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saharastars

Joined: 30 Sep 2009
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Location: Wonderland

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:27 am Post subject:

huh?

Grendal

Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

johnslat wrote:

Dear TLOH,

I'm a little confused. Just to clarify:

When you write "native-speaking staff," you're referring to teachers whose "native language" is English, right?

When you write "non-native speaking staff," you're referring to teachers whose "native language" is NOT English, right?

Because, maybe I'm just being dense, but this puzzles me:

"with a PhD holding teacher (a native speaker who is specially picked for this purpose) to give a presentation on teaching philosophy and set the bench mark for all others (native speaking EFL instructors) to conform to. In this way even though a native speaking English teacher gives this weekly talk all other teachers (native speakers) are made to look inferior."

How are they "made to look inferior?" I don't get it.

Regards,
John

No John you are not dense.

Let me clarify further.

This is a special strategy employed by the non native speaking staff to make it as hard as possible for other native speaking English teachers who do not have the credentials (mostly BAs and MAs) that they seem to be pushing, this being PhDs.

Am I ranting? Maybe. Am I venting? Maybe. Is there a conspiracy? Maybe.

Am I crazy? ........

TLOH

Deicide

Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 1005
Location: Caput Imperii Americani

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject:

Grendal wrote:

johnslat wrote:

At least you have money.

norwalkesl

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 366
Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

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"PhD holding teacher (a native speaker who is specially picked for this purpose) to give a presentation on teaching philosophy and set the bench mark for all others (native speaking EFL instructors) to conform to. In this way even though a native speaking English teacher gives this weekly talk all other teachers (native speakers) are made to look inferior."

Very clever method to keep salaries down, although I know some independently minded individuals who are not intimidated by those with more degrees than they have.

Last edited by norwalkesl on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:44 pm; edited 1 time in total

007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 2684
Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject:

Grendal2 wrote:

Am I crazy? ........

TLOH

No. I think you are confused ! Laughing

norwalkesl

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 366
Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject:

Mia Xanthi wrote:

Every few years in the United States there is a story about a foreigner who gets off the plane in, say, Houston, then he gets into a taxi and asks the driver to take him to, say, Dallas. The driver neglects to tell him that this will costs thousands of dollars and drives him anyway. The poor foreigner is appalled at this, and probably assumes that all taxi drivers in the US (and maybe all Americans in general) are dishonest and corrupt. :oops!

This happens at Reagan National in Arlington, VA. Most taxi fares are into WDC proper, and most taxis are DC city cabs. So they charge insane rates for an $8 fare because in Virginia they can do as they please and they are not regulated in that jurisdiction. This has been tried on my friends as well as myself - nothing new to cabbies attempting to fare gouge.

johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Posts: 13859
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject:

Dear Grendal, We used to occasionally have "visiting Ph.D.s" brought over by the embassy come by to give us "instruction." They usually didn't fare all that well. I recall one who deigned to point out to us how to "teach articles." After he finished his painfully obvious presentation (which presented nothing that everyone in the room didn't know better than he), he asked for questions. He got only one. "And have you ever taught your grandmother how to suck eggs, too?" Regards, John P.S. Just in case anyone's unfamiliar with the idiom: When people say "Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs", they mean that people shouldn't try to teach someone who has more experience or is an expert in that area.

PoS2010

Joined: 29 Mar 2010
Posts: 21
Location: rock n hard place

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject:

johnslat wrote:

Dear InterRick,
Jeddah, being on the coast and having had centuries of interaction with "non-Saudis" (though usually Muslims performing Hajj) tends to be less xenophobic, less insular, and more (relatively speaking) "liberal" (in having fewer citizens who are adamant about everyone following the strict Wahhabi interpretation of the Quran) than Riyadh, which is in the center of the country and tends to have more citizens who are more "suspicious" of foreigners.
Think of it this way (if you're from the USA and are familiar with the places I'm about to mention); it's roughly similar to the experience a Saudi would have were he to move to New York City (Jeddah) or Joplin, Missouri (Riyadh.)
Now Riyadh has become more "cosmopolitan" over the years. All the embassies are located there now and there are many compounds. It's very possible to pursue an active social life there (though having a car is a BIG help in doing so.)
Qassim, on the other hand, is "the sticks", probably a lot like Riyadh was, say, fifty years ago. Saudis there would tend to be more xenophobic, insular, and less tolerant of any deviations from what they consider to be the correct interpretation of Islam. Having a social life there would be more difficult than it would be in Riyadh today and much more difficult than it would be in Jeddah.
Regards,
John

Dear John

I really thought you were better read than to simply show yourself up with the sufi/adopted by CNN or anyone else unqualified to speak about Islamic sects label wahabi

First al Wahab is one of the revealed names and attributes of Allah

secondly as for the following of the Interpretation of teh Qur'an then as far as I understand it KSA uses the Qur'an and Sunnah with the way of the Best and first three generations of muslims as the guide of how Muhammad had taught it.

thirdly the preacher and reviver of the Deen who joined in spreading the correct creed of Islam in Saudi Arabia again was Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab

so ofcourse linguistically the label is wrong from two angles first its refering to an atrribute and not a person
secondly abdul Wahab was the father of muhammad bin abdul wahab and nothing to do with the spread of the Dawah of TAuhid ( monothesitic ) belief once more in the Arabian penisular. it was his son Muhammad his son who joined with Muhammad Ibn Saud emir of di'ariyah in spreading it.

This ignorant way of calling the othordoxy names ascribing them to be followers of one "fairly recent" sheikh ul Islam is the way of the opponents to this call to monotheism. They know that by ascribing it to a man they are able to scare the general and ignorant muslim away from learning the pure creed as taught by the Prophet of ISlam
Muhaamd bin abdillah ar rasooillah Peace and Gods salutation be upon him.

I am saddened that a man of your reading hasn't learnt that yet so check out with a google search the wahabi myth by Haneef James oliver or sacred freedom by the same

I will PM you a link which has some chapters of it.

trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject:

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as far as I understand it KSA uses the Qur'an and Sunnah with the way of the Best and first three generations of muslims as the guide of how Muhammad had taught it.

There are many things here that are in direct contradiction to the Qur'an and Sunnah and the way of the first 3 generations.

And I am not talking about what people do in their own homes, I am talking about actual governmental laws and regulations, as well as some punishments meted out by the courts. Utterly anti-Islamic, some of them.

P.S. For someone getting bent out of shape over the used of 'Wahhabi', I noticed that you wrote the following in another thread:

Quote:

khud daafis

It is actually "Khuda Hafiz". But, that's not the point. The point is that his name is "Allah", and as a proper Muslim as you are, you can't replace it with other names such as 'God', 'Khuda' (Persian for God), 'Yahweh'/'Elohim' (Hebrew), etc. Furthermore, at least 'Yahweh', 'Elohim', and 'Jehovah' refer to the same God that Muslims worship, the God of Moses and Abraham. 'Khuda' on the other hand comes from Persian mythology, religions, and culture, and has nothing to do with 'Allah', as it originated. Calling 'Allah' by any other name not found in Islam is wrong, and a lot more wrong than calling someone a 'Wahhabi'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khuda

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