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Hi There, One more Sociology Student going into TEFL
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TeacherPreacher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Hi There, One more Sociology Student going into TEFL Reply with quote

What did I do it for!? I actually thought I could be a social worker when I finished. I imagine there are loads of TEFLers who have degrees in Sociology, Archeology, Philosophy and other useless subjects. Without opening up the whole 'Are Universities Irresponsible' subject. There must be loads of people with useless degrees in TEFL, right?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Media Studies! That must be the most common BA amongst TEFLers. Am I right?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is a Social Science group major. I will say though that I really enjoyed it. I declared a major fairly late and chose one that would fit with all the interesting classes I'd been taking in sociology, history, and psychology. I still believe that college should be more about education than training for a job.

And hey, lots of those philosophy majors go on to law school.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did English Literature but I always knew that I was going to settle for being an English teacher.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Hi There, One more Sociology Student going into TEFL Reply with quote

TeacherPreacher wrote:
I actually thought I could be a social worker when I finished.


I'm sorry... what? Isn't a B.S.W. (Bachelor of Social Work) a common degree? How long were you majoring in this before you discovered that it's not the major you need to become a social worker? Couldn't you switch majors if you wanted to?

It's just it sounds sort of like someone actually going through and getting a degree in musicology because they wanted to work in a museum, somehow never realizing that spending four years studying the lives of music composers and their compositions isn't really directly related the operations of most museums, even though musicology sort of SOUNDS like it's related to museum (even if it doesn't really look like it).

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I imagine there are loads of TEFLers who have degrees in Sociology, Archeology, Philosophy and other useless subjects. Without opening up the whole 'Are Universities Irresponsible' subject. There must be loads of people with useless degrees in TEFL, right?


ummmm.... yeah, sort of. But then, if they use what they learned in their undergrad either in their jobs (for example any performance art or visual art could be applied to teaching school aged children) or in further training in this area (MA TESOL or Applied Linguistics) like anybody who majored in one of a billion different things (including sociology- sociolinguistics is the major thrust of graduate level studies in this area in the UK and Australia) then it ceased to become useless.

***MOST*** people never use the subject matter that they studied in university in real life. And ***MOST*** universities majors are pretty much useless on their own- without a graduate degree in the area or further training in something else.

One of the most common jobs for people who have an undergraduate degree in any Humanities or Natural Science area is a retail manager trainee- some dude (or dude-ette) in a golf shirt with a name badge, for which the most useful preparation is having spent their years during university stocking shelves and helping customers in a store.

English may seem related to teaching EFL, but if your degree is in literature, then it most likely isn't.

Don't worry too much about what you studied for your undergrad. It forms a basis from which you will think about things- for example the things that you will study in order to get professional training to do something (like an MA TESOL is professional training to teach ESOL).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, having a degree in a subject like philosophy, sociology and psychology gives you lots of useful things to discuss with students, if you are able to use the material - in precis form - cogently and comprehensibly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Life experience is just as good Reply with quote

Having an interest in current affairs and politics (especially in one's own country) can also help one to develop ideas about how to discuss morality without necessarily going through three or four years of undergraduate study in sociology and psychology. Life experience can prove just as valuable for the development of personal perspectives on human behaviour.

I must confess, though, that my first degree, which I got 21 years ago, was also in a "useless" subject, but it wasn't a mainstream subject although it was largely based on history - it was called "Independent Studies" because, at the time, the university must have felt that it was trend-setting by allowing students to devise up to five of their own academic units out of the nine they could take during their second and final years.

Perhaps I ought to have stuck with German Studies instead as that was the major that I was originally pursuing before making the (somewhat unwise) change!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just seems to me that if you're not going to be a sociologist or if you're not going to become a sociology professor or if you're not going to work for one of those three-letter American government agencies, a degree in something like sociology is pretty much useless.

But isn't it true that American degree programs tend to put more emphasis on taking a bunch of fairly useless courses while UK degree programs tend to emphasize the field you want to go into?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there is such a career as a sociologist, outside academia. As for the UK higher education system, while the market has led to more vocational degrees these days, there are still plenty of arts and humanities courses available.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for the UK higher education system, while the market has led to more vocational degrees these days, there are still plenty of arts and humanities courses available.


I think what Chancellor was refering to is the trend, in US universities, to include a lot of general education content in a degree program. (A physics major will still probably have a few credits in arts, literature, social sciences, and others, for example.) In my experience of the UK, whatever the program, university studies are more specialized, with most students taking courses only or at least mostly within their degree area.

One of the reasons that US degree programs tend to be a bit longer.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point taken.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about LIberal Arts?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Hi There, One more Sociology Student going into TEFL Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
***MOST*** people never use the subject matter that they studied in university in real life. And ***MOST*** universities majors are pretty much useless on their own- without a graduate degree in the area or further training in something else. ).


I've heard that 80% of graduates don't use their degree for their first job and people have an average of 6 careers in their lifetime
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
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As for the UK higher education system, while the market has led to more vocational degrees these days, there are still plenty of arts and humanities courses available.


I think what Chancellor was refering to is the trend, in US universities, to include a lot of general education content in a degree program. (A physics major will still probably have a few credits in arts, literature, social sciences, and others, for example.) In my experience of the UK, whatever the program, university studies are more specialized, with most students taking courses only or at least mostly within their degree area.

One of the reasons that US degree programs tend to be a bit longer.

Best,
Justin
Yes, I was referring to the significant general content in an American degree program (x number of credits in humanities, x number in science, x number in math, x number in English, etc., excluding the courses required for your major).
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