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aku_tonpa
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 Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: KITAS |
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Apologies if this in another post. Does your employer have any legal right not to issue you with your original KITAS? Just to be clear, there are no contractual issues with the employer. They just don't want to give me the original (for whatever reason).
Thanks for any insights. |
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tanyakenapa
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Location: Batavia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Well....our office didn't like to give us the original as well. Their reason was that they were worried we would lose it and it costs 2million to replace. Well thats what they told us. So they issued us with a photocopy of it.
However I asked for my original and I kept it in a safe place all the time (didnt carry it around everyday) I had to sign a form stating that I had it with me and would take responsibility of the 2million payment if I happened to misplace it.
So we were both happy with that arrangement in the end. |
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father Mackenzie
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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Location: Jakarta Barat
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I believe that is correct. It is a matter of what will happen if you lose it. The colour copy is more than adequate enough if stopped by police or other authorities.
Airlines also except it as proof of id when flying.
Better locked in the safe than me having to pay 2 million or worry that I might lose it.  |
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phis
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Legally it is yours, as are all other legal documents relating to your stay here: passport, immigration control book, NPWP card (your tax no.), etc. If you are happy for the school to keep it 'for safe-keeping', so be it: but if you want the originals, they have no legal right to keep them. Personally, I like to have all my original documents in 'my possession'. I am an adult and quite capable of keeping them in a safe place! Anyway, it's totally up to you, but you shouldn't have any trouble if you insist on having them. |
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aku_tonpa
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the input. I have no problem with the school keeping it if they are genuinely worried about the KITAS being lost. But as Phis points out we are adults. I haven't lost a KITAS during my time in Indonesia. Just needed to clarify who legally can keep the KITAS as I want to keep it close at hand, and not at head office, over an hour away. Thanks again. |
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tukangojek
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Location: bogor
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| I make a colour copy and so far so good... |
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ellecbee
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I was given a laminated color copy which I keep in my wallet and works just fine. Your KITAS belongs to you as does your passport or any other documentation. Your school will probably make you sign something stating that you have possession ( I did this when I took back possession of my passport). Keep in mind that the Indonesian government is highly inefficient, so if you do lose it, not only will you incur the cost of replacement, it will probably take FOREVER to get it replaced.
Ironically enough, I just facilitated a conversation class for the Indonesian Government Life Insurance company. They pay out life insurance claims in 3 days - isn't that a kick? That's ridiculously fast even by western standards. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:32 pm Post subject: Lies about the management's "right" to keep passpo |
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| phis wrote: |
| Legally it is yours, as are all other legal documents relating to your stay here (...) if you want the originals, they have no legal right to keep them. |
In my first school in China when I started out as an ESOL teacher in the autumn of '01, I was given this story that the school had "the right" to hang on to foreign teachers' original documents, including passports, even if they are legally ours (despite any wording inside them that says that they technically belong to the government that issued them).
Within weeks, a colleague of mine informed me that a friend of hers working at another school stated that this was a deliberate lie told to us by our Chinese school manager in order to prevent us from quitting and then precipitously upping sticks in case we were dissatisfied with what was happening in our school.
As time went on, it became clear that the man was nothing more than a cowardly sycophant, unquestioningly obeying to the letter the commands of the man who had recommended his appointment as school manager and who had undoubtedly told him to lie to us about anything if it meant that we had no chance of finding out the truth behind what was going on.
However, over the months that followed, his lies and other aspects of unacceptable behaviour, including leaving the poor front-desk staffers to deal with angry complaints made by dissatisfied parents of young learners instead of having the guts to deal with them himself, were brought to the attention of the man who was technically the president of our and a few other franchised schools, yet it took a while to get the man's contact details because, again, this was information deliberately concealed from us in order to prevent us from lodging formal complaints against him.
Even the so-called expatriate "senior academic operations managers" at Head Office were of no use whatsoever since they were unprepared to take up the cudgels and go against the Chinese for fear, no doubt, of being fired. However, even they did not have the guts themselves to admit this to us. Talk about a veritable double-whammy!
Once the president was contacted, however, he personally came to our school twice within two weeks and we aired our complaints to him face-to-face. For the sycophant, the game was up, he got sacked and the big guy who'd recommended his appointment was emotionally crushed, having effectively lost almost all power and influence. It served them both well and truly right!
And yet, a few months later, that sycophant actually contacted me to ask if I wouldn't mind becoming a director of studies at yet another franchised school (in the same company) that he was the local manager of. Happily, my alibi for turning down this "kind" offer was that I still had six months to go of my then-current contract and intended to go back to England (which I did). He must have thought me a complete and utter idiot if he had thought that I actually wanted to work with him again! |
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aku_tonpa
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Phis (or anyone),
Is there any way to prove the documents are legally mine? |
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