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mjfaina123
Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 5 Location: us
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: starting out..what should i go for with these credentials: |
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Hi to everyone. I am hoping someone can help me out.. i'm starting out for the first time: I am 22 years old, will be finishing university in may with a teacher certification in english k-12. I also am TEFL/TESl certified (completed the 100 hr course). I have also been teaching an adult esl class in the south Bronx as a volunteer in a non profit organization established by Columbia University. Now here is where i am at a lose: I want to begin... i want to teach over seas... 1. Should i look for positions in language schools or am i able to get a job in a public school/university? 2. Where should i begin, location wise... i was thinking China, Hong Kong, or somewhere in the east (Taiwan, Japan) etc.. however while researching forums about their experiences in China i seem to keep reading about horror stories. What location/school in China would provide me with a good package and overall decent experience? I have heard about visa issues, harassment, violation of contracts, horrible housing, no support...There must be a decent place in China right? Please help! This will be my first time out on my own so to speak so i want to be prepared. Open to any other suggestions and ANY information! Thanks everyone. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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1. Should i look for positions in language schools or am i able to get a job in a public school/university? |
You're not qualified for uni positions in Japan.
As for public school jobs here, you're probably only going to get ALT jobs (dispatch company or JET Programme) just starting out. Take the latter chance, but applications for next year are due SOON.
You're also qualified for language schools here (eikaiwa). Interview at home with the very few who come to you (on their schedule and at your expense), or fill your pockets and come to Japan in Feb. / Mar.
Your teaching license might get you into an international school here, but you would usually need 1-2 years of teaching experience at home first.
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2. Where should i begin, location wise... i was thinking China, Hong Kong, or somewhere in the east (Taiwan, Japan) etc.. |
Japan is flooded right now with teachers. Come to the Japan forum, read all the FAQ stickies, and see what people are saying. |
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jdl

Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Posts: 632 Location: cyberspace
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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mjfaina123,
Try one of the following:
http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com/
http://www.maplebear.ca/maplebear
http://www.pattisonedu.com/
I can personally recommend Maple Bear Schools having done some work with them. They specialize in preschool and early years education but also operate a few high schools around the world.
For more job postings for International teachers check the Canada Education Network. There are US and Australian affiliates to which you can link.
http://www.educationcanada.com/main.html
Certificated public school teachers are in demand so happy hunting. You should be able to get a job with a reputable employer. Worth a look. China is a growing market and Maple Bear has opened and operate several state of the art schools there.
If you want additional information send me a personal message through this forum once you have the sufficient posts to do so.
You are well positioned so be optimistic. |
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mjfaina123
Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 5 Location: us
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: about japan response |
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You say the applications for next year are due soon... due in where into an agency or should i contact the actual school? Because i am just starting off, i find the idea of just packing up and showing up somewhere a bit daunting.. i guess i'm, looking for everything to be booked and planned before i arrive..also how much in funds should a person come with when first arriving... is it hard to get a job mid semester? And are language schools there a good option, package wise?? thanks |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 409 Location: Chongqing, China
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:35 am Post subject: Re: about japan response |
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mjfaina123 wrote: |
You say the applications for next year are due soon... due in where into an agency or should i contact the actual school? Because i am just starting off, i find the idea of just packing up and showing up somewhere a bit daunting.. i guess i'm, looking for everything to be booked and planned before i arrive..also how much in funds should a person come with when first arriving... is it hard to get a job mid semester? And are language schools there a good option, package wise?? thanks |
Glenski was referring to the JET Programme, and that deadline passed on November 24th for USA applicants. It generally takes at the very least a few weeks, and ideally a few months, to put that together (I am a JET), so you really need to plan far ahead. It may be a good option for you, but you would have to wait a year to apply, and would not go until summer 2011.
http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/JET/
Your questions are far too open ended to be helpfully answered in the general forum. I suggest you spend some hours reading through and searching on the various forums for the countries you might be interested in, and many of your questions, and the answers to new ones, will be found.
If I were you, I would be extremely interested in International Schools, but as Glenski noted, and a glance at the web pages of any top tier IS will tell you, 2 years post-credential experience in your home country is preferred. Have a look at these forums.
http://www.internationalschoolsreview.com/nonmembers/copytotheforum.htm |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: Re: about japan response |
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mjfaina123 wrote: |
i guess i'm, looking for everything to be booked and planned before i arrive..also how much in funds should a person come with when first arriving... is it hard to get a job mid semester? And are language schools there a good option, package wise?? thanks |
For Japan, I would say that if you came here cold and started looking even at peak season, you should have a safety net of US$4000-5000 on you.
Yes, it is hard to get work mid-semester. Contracts are usually for a full year. As recommended above, read the FAQs and a few threads to familiarize yourself with Japan's market.
Language schools by and large do not pay airfare. You might have some that offer an end-of-contract bonus that makes up for it, but you have to stay that first full year. Bail out early for "greener pastures" as some do, and you forfeit that. Salaries in language schools in Japan are slowly falling. What used to be a standard unshakeable 250,000 yen/month wage is now 200,000-220,000 in many cases. Plus, employers often legally bypass their obligation to pay 50% of health insurance, so you will end up paying it all. The first year is cheap (2,500 yen/month), but it goes up tenfold after that. Commuting is paid for usually, but not rent or utilities. Figure on that 250K salary, half is spent on basic necessities. How much of the remainder you save depends on your lifestyle. |
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anyway
Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 109
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Certainly the best idea would be to go directly into a job stateside after you graduate, but perhaps the market is flooded or you have some other reason to go abroad first??
There are so many boards for international schools. Try TIEonline, Teach Away, GlobalLinks Tutors. Quality Schools International is an interesting group of schools. If you are thinking about China, check out the Dipont group of private K-12 schools. I recently checked ParkEnglish (recruitment for Korean hagwons) and it seemed very professional, good pay. Due diligence is a must. Try and speak directly (by phone) with someone at any school you are considering.
Yes, there are a lot of horror stories out there, but the fact is no one goes online to crow about their job and tell everyone how wonderful it is. The bad experiences are the ones that show up as warnings to everyone. Some of those people have legitimate complaints, but some are just whining. Luck! |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Try intl schools. While you probably won't be able to get a job in the "popular" coutnries, you should have no probs getting a job in the "unpopular" ones, such as the -stans, southwest asia, etc. |
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