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HCEG1



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

Royal Saudi Air Force planes have been bombing the Shia Al Hoothi 'rebels' (just over the Southern Saudi/Yemen border) for around 3 weeks now, killing many civilians along the way, yet you have to dig deep to find more than a few lines reporting it on the major news channels.

a) Why the heck is this being hushed up?

b) Is it likely to escalate with dangerous ramifications?

Youtube has several clips, mostly filmed by the Al Hoothi's
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

HCEG1 wrote:
Royal Saudi Air Force planes have been bombing the Shia Al Hoothi 'rebels' (just over the Southern Saudi/Yemen border) for around 3 weeks now, killing many civilians along the way, yet you have to dig deep to find more than a few lines reporting it on the major news channels.

a) Why the heck is this being hushed up?

b) Is it likely to escalate with dangerous ramifications?

Youtube has several clips, mostly filmed by the Al Hoothi's

Well, this conflict is controlled remotely and indirectly by USA and Iran. In other words, it is a war between the Great Satan (USA) and the Great Mullah (Iran)! Laughing
The Saudi Air Force planes are maily F15 and Tornados sold by Uncle Sam and Uncle Tony to the Saudi to bomb anything against the Great Satan! Also the Saudi wants to conquer the North of Yemen, in which they failed to do it during 1930s!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Who is flying the planes? Question
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HCEG1



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

sr wrote:
Very Happy Who is flying the planes? Question


RSAF Pilots-hence the clips of them missing their intended targets by around 1km, as shown on Youtube

Who's putting the bombs/missiles together? Ahhh, better keep schtum on that one Wink
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sr wrote:
Very Happy Who is flying the planes? Question

Well, the pilot is Mr Bandar, the trainer is Mr Brown, and the one who set the missiles up is Brando! Laughing
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Dervish Finkelblatt



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

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The Saudi Air Force planes are maily F15 and Tornados sold by Uncle Sam and Uncle Tony to the Saudi to bomb anything against the Great Satan! Also the Saudi wants to conquer the North of Yemen, in which they failed to do it during 1930s![/quote]


Not at all true! A friend working for the RSAF in Washington told me President Obama himself called the King and asked that F-15's NOT be used to bomb the insurgents. The Custodian basically told Obama "to pound sand " and that the Saudi Kindgdom would use any means at their disposal to anihilate their Islamic brethren.

This has been going on (largely unreported) for some time. The Saudis are very worried about their southern border.

007...Sorry to squash your weekly "Blame everything on Big, Bad America--except my paycheck, of course" tirade.

Speaking of that....with the dollar so low...how many Brits etc. are hitting the road? Is there a noticeable exodus?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Dervish,

"Not at all true! A friend working for the RSAF in Washington told me President Obama himself called the King and asked that F-15's NOT be used to bomb the insurgents. The Custodian basically told Obama "to pound sand " and that the Saudi Kindgdom would use any means at their disposal to anihilate their Islamic brethren."

Ah, glad to know this has come from such a reputable and trusted source.

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Jeez, Louise - fetch my hip boots; it's getting very deep in here.

Regards,
John
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

Dervish Finkelblatt wrote:
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Not at all true! A friend working for the RSAF in Washington told me President Obama himself called the King and asked that F-15's NOT be used to bomb the insurgents. The Custodian basically told Obama "to pound sand " and that the Saudi Kindgdom would use any means at their disposal to anihilate their Islamic brethren.

Well, I have 7 reasons not to trust Uncle Sam! Laughing
Did not Uncle Sam and his comrade Uncle Tony waged a war against Iraq based on false ground and lies!! And you want me to trust Uncle Sam!

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Speaking of that....with the dollar so low...how many Brits etc. are hitting the road? Is there a noticeable exodus?

Well, the recession is biting, and the unemployment figure is approaching 2.5 millions!!! May God help the needy?
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Johnz



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

[quote="HCEG1"]Royal Saudi Air Force planes have been bombing the Shia Al Hoothi 'rebels' (just over the Southern Saudi/Yemen border) for around 3 weeks now, killing many civilians along the way, yet you have to dig deep to find more than a few lines reporting it on the major news channels.

a) Why the heck is this being hushed up?

Easy... it's all part of the hypocrisy of International relations... especially in this part of the world.... When Western nations kill Arabs/ Muslims... there is outrage that the West is anti-islamic and cares nothing for human life... When Arab states do the same... ah well, they are totalitarian countries, what can be done? (Remember the Syrian govt. killing of Islamists in 1982? Saddam Hussein and whoever opposed him? Libya, Egypt, Lebanon... the list goes on. Furthermore, the Shia rebels, are not considered real muslims! So the world is a better place without them (Not my opinion, but the views I have often heard.) As a sideline, while on a flight from Jeddah to Riyadh, sitting next to a guy with a very bushy beard, and shortened thobe (get my drift?), he was reading his paper, and told me with some glee that Israel might attack Iran. I was somewhat shocked and asked about his brother muslims being attacked by Jews. He said no, the Iranians weren't real muslims, that they couldn't be trusted and that the Israelis would be doing a service.... It's a sad/ mad world we live in...
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Dervish Finkelblatt



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're mocking my sources? My friend works a liaison between the RSAF and the US Air Force..as well as Raytheon, and other American "Merchants of Death"...and has been at it for 20 years.

Who are your sources in Northern New Mexico? Glenn Campbell? Or maybe Hoss from Bonanza?

BTW, double-nought spy...wasn't it a certain British PM who said to a certain US President in 1990..."Mustn't dither now, George."...or similar Poppinsesque advice?

That's what started this whole mess to begin with. I say send Lord Balfour packing!
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007



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

Johnz wrote:
Furthermore, the Shia rebels, are not considered real muslims!

Who said that?
Any Muslim, regardless if he is Shia, Zaidi, or whatever branch and, who declares the Shahada is considered as a Muslim, and his blood is haram.

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As a sideline, while on a flight from Jeddah to Riyadh, sitting next to a guy with a very bushy beard, and shortened thobe (get my drift?), he was reading his paper, and told me with some glee that Israel might attack Iran. I was somewhat shocked and asked about his brother muslims being attacked by Jews. He said no, the Iranians weren't real muslims, that they couldn't be trusted and that the Israelis would be doing a service.... It's a sad/ mad world we live in...

Well, this guy is ignorant and does not understand the real issue between the Magic Kingdom and Iran!
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear 007,

"Any Muslim, regardless if he is Shia, Zaidi, or whatever branch and, who declares the Shahada is considered as a Muslim, and his blood is haram."

But idiots abound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hnIERpeFDI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CXhDRhc9Q

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/SHIITES/what_is_the_aqeedah_of_shias.htm

Regards,
John
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sr



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing So if the Saudis are flying the planes do they come back for prayer call? Laughing
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Johnz



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

Well, this guy is ignorant and does not understand the real issue between the Magic Kingdom and Iran![/quote]


Oh, I quite agree... The sad thing is, he did say it.... and I have met many of his fellow countrymen who share similar views... and as his view that they are not real muslims makes it easy to say their blood is not haram.... Ignorance can be found anywhere...

...and your own comment that muslim blood is haram reminds me of the 2004 attacks in Saudi when muslim blood was spilt. (Previously it had been Westerners/ non-muslims being targeted...) I was told, "Oh, now it's a problem they are killing muslims..." The inference being, it didn't matter quite so much when it was non-muslims. (And I had 2 different people voice similar sentiments at different times.)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Saudi & Yemen Reply with quote

Johnz wrote:
...and your own comment that muslim blood is haram reminds me of the 2004 attacks in Saudi when muslim blood was spilt. (Previously it had been Westerners/ non-muslims being targeted...) I was told, "Oh, now it's a problem they are killing muslims..." The inference being, it didn't matter quite so much when it was non-muslims. (And I had 2 different people voice similar sentiments at different times.)


"..Whoever kills a single soul for other than a soul (killed) or for corruption in the earth is as though he had killed all of humankind and whoever saves the life of a single soul is as though he had saved the life of all of humankind" - Quran - Surah Al-Ma'idah, verse 32.

You notice in the above Quranic verse, that killing a "single soul" (i.e. human being), regardless if it is Muslim or not, is a great crime.

In Islam, killing is only allowed in two conditions:
1. Judicial punishment
2. Declaration of War (with some strict rules)
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