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seklarwia



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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano

PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bre_anna wrote:

I'm quite short 5'2 and quite large chested (E cup) so I'm forseeing some issues finding appropriate clothing. I wanted to gather the info now so that I have a lot of time to shop for clothing (if I get the job that is). It's very difficult for me to find a button up blouse that will button over my chest properly without being extremely big everywhere else. I'll see what I can do.


Same here (DD/E). Shirts are a nightmare back home and impossible here.

I'm lucky that I can get away with simply not buttoning up and just wearing a fuller top underneath in my school. The undertop is of course plastered to my chest, which actual makes the size even more blatently obvious, but as long as there is no clevage, there is no problem. Obviously how understanding schools will be will vary greatly and likely most schools wouldn't allow you to do the same as me, so if you can get a load of altered clothes sorted before you come out here, then it will definately make things easier.
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Fina1



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Fina1 wrote:
do not wear flats


I'm going to disagree with this. I'm 175cm (5'9") so far taller than most Japanese women and many men already, and I find heels of any height above flat to be incredibly uncomfortable and difficult to walk in anyway, so I never wear them. It has never caused any issues at job interviews/the workplace in Japan. I have always been successful at any job interview I have had here, for teaching jobs and otherwise, wearing flats the whole time. Don't wear heels if you don't want to.

Just a question, since you also mentioned loafers- aren't loafers flats?


I'm sorry, I should have specified.

By flats I meant ballet flats. Some people (at least here in the U.S.) wear ballet flats to professional jobs and think they are appropriate.
Then again, I went to the dentist's last week and people were wearing JEANS (and no, it wasn't Friday)
I was absolutely shocked, since every other dentist office I've been in everyone was very professional.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark-coloured ballet flats is exactly what I wear. It's a matter of opinion whether they are appropriate or not, I suppose. I just think that no-one should feel pressured into wearing heels- wearing ballet flats is unlikely to lose you a job.
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Lyrajean



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think ballet flats would be fine. Do be aware though that many places want you to wear seperate indoor and outdoor shoes. Or outdoors shoes and slippers.

I have the same non-standard sizing issues when it comes to footwear. I wear a US 9-11. The size is soo inconsistant becuase I am looking for a EEE width. I fit pretty good into men's dress shoes from back home in a 9 1/2.

I wear dress sandals with heels (easier to fit, thank god for Okinawa's warm climate!) or doc martens to work. I am very lucky my workplace is relatively casual. Becuase I can't wear ladylike shoes ever, my size just doesn't exist. I do get strange looks in the ladies room because I can't fit in the 22cm bathroom slippers. With 3 schools I can't provide my own slippers for all the bathrooms.
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Fina1



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I'm glad that ballet flats do work for you.

AEON specifically says "no ballet flats", so I figured that maybe this was going to be pretty much the same at most places.
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bre_anna



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fina1 wrote:
Ah, I'm glad that ballet flats do work for you.

AEON specifically says "no ballet flats", so I figured that maybe this was going to be pretty much the same at most places.


The dress code that I was shown in my sample contract didn't specify anything about shoes. I have ballet flats and regular flats, so I'll be set either way. But ballet flats are so much more comfortable especially for playing with kids.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fina1 wrote:
Ah, I'm glad that ballet flats do work for you.

AEON specifically says "no ballet flats", so I figured that maybe this was going to be pretty much the same at most places.


Hmm, I think that amount of strictness is an Aeon-only thing. When I was teaching at eikaiwas the only shoe rule I remember seeing was "no open-toed shoes". Ballet flats weren't all that common at the time though (6-10 years ago), but I wore slip-on shoes that I would have thought were even more casual than ballet flats.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rule of educational jobs is that the worse the job the more you teach and the smarter you have to dress.

For an eikaiwa you're expected to dress like you work in a bank. For a high school more comfortable teachery clothing is fine, think cardigans, pullovers, casual shirts/slacks. For universities it's similar, although more eccentric attire may be possible depending on the department, jeans are usually fine.

Dressing professionally is usually to compensate for the fact that the job you're doing isn't at all professional. No one looks smarter than the the girls giving directions in the malls. Wink

EDIT:

During my Aeon years I slowly dressed down. First to go was the tie, then the jacket. Next I switched to some smartish carhartt trousers. During the winter I actually ended up wearing a black polo-neck sweater and chinos.

Of course it also depends on your particular manager, and if anyone from head-office turns up you should have a shirt and tie handy! Those head-office guys and gals...What a crazy bunch. Laughing


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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this thread would almost certainly benefit from some photos.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneJoelFifty wrote:
I think this thread would almost certainly benefit from some photos.


Laughing

You're right! Body clothing shots only though. Remember that those eikaiwa trainers have their spies everywhere as there's not a lot else for them to do.

Actually I have some photos of all the guys at my eikaiwa dressed up as women, and the girls with fake moustaches on. Lets just say that one of the guys panties failed to maintain his modesty. Shocked
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