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tiptronic
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 Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Taibah University Updated Info Needed |
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Is there anybody who works or has worked for Taibah University in Medinah?
I am in the process of applying to this university. But as far as I understand from the Saudi threads of this form, the job conditions across the Saudi institutions vary widely.
I am an assistant professor with B.Sc., Masters and Ph.D. degrees from a top tier university in the U.S., although I am not a U.S. citizen. Being a Muslim, I am really interested in working in such a holy city, Medinah.
However, I am concerned about the salaries and perks since I have to pay my loan back.
What are your experiences? How much can I make? What is the range for this particular university? How much a married with one child person who lives a modest and conservative life can save a year?
P.S.: I also applied to other universities in Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Abu Dhabi, and Dubai. Since there are just a few people in my field with a Ph.D. from universities such as Columbia would be interested in teaching at Gulf Universities, I think I can get at least a couple of offer. So, if you could please compare these countries , that would be much more appreciated.
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007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Taibah University Updated Info Needed |
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| tiptronic wrote: |
| I am an assistant professor with B.Sc., Masters and Ph.D. degrees from a top tier university in the U.S., although I am not a U.S. citizen. Being a Muslim, I am really interested in working in such a holy city, Medinah. |
What is your field? And how many years of teaching experience do you have?
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| However, I am concerned about the salaries and perks since I have to pay my loan back. |
The salary will depend on your PhD area, years of teaching experience in a university, type of your passport, and your nationality.
Assistant Prof (not holding US/UK passport, but resident in US/UK) will start from SR12,000 (excluding other benefits).
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| Since there are just a few people in my field with a Ph.D. from universities such as Columbia would be interested in teaching at Gulf Universities, I think I can get at least a couple of offer. |
Well, as far as I know, there a lot of people, especially from Egypt, Lebanon, North Africa, and Jordan who hold PhD in all fields from top USA/Uk and Canadian universities.
It will depend on your field and competition from other third world candidates who hold PhD from Western universities!
BTW, since you do not hold Uncle Sam's passport, you will not get education expenses for your child. |
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tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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My child holds Uncle Sam's passport, if it matters.
My area is special ed.
Three years experience.
12000 seems too low. It is closed to sixty per cent of what I am getting now. So, if they are paying much less than the western universities, why would they specify in their ads asking for Ph.D. degrees from top western schools?
Do you have any idea? Could you please share your opinion on this?
Thank you.
P.S.: A friend of mine with the same credentials is getting 70.000 $ a year plus other benefits in the UAE.
Is there that much salary gap between these countries? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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KSA is not an attractive option for those working in many fields in the USA or Britain. The days of inflated salaries paid to Westerners are over.
Special Education is an area with low priority. |
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tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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OK. I understand. I have an offer from Wales, actually. But they pay 43000 pounds and as you know, it will be taxed. I think I need to do more research.
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| And in Wales you will have to pay for accommodation. Life's essentials are more expensive, but you will have a better quality of life. I trust that you know that schools are Welsh-medium. How will your children react to the necessity of learning Welsh ? |
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tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes , that is another question that I need to think of. |
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007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| tiptronic wrote: |
| My child holds Uncle Sam's passport, if it matters. |
It is the passport of the applicant not his dependants which decides on your children education expenses.
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| My area is special ed. |
Well, according to Taibha's job advert, they are looking for people for their college of education. So, you might stand a high chance to get an offer, depending on how desperate they are!
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| So, if they are paying much less than the western universities, why would they specify in their ads asking for Ph.D. degrees from top western schools? |
It is only for propagonda! 
If I were you, I will not move from my current position until I get better offer with better conditions, which I doubt it with Taibah university.
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| P.S.: A friend of mine with the same credentials is getting 70.000 $ a year plus other benefits in the UAE. |
Possible in UAE, and much higher salary if he holds the red/blue passport!
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| I have an offer from Wales, actually. But they pay 43000 pounds and as you know, it will be taxed. I think I need to do more research. |
Why don't you wait until getting the American (Uncle Sam) passport ! It will help you in the future! |
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tiptronic
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I am much confused now.
Sultan Qaboos University: 45000 salary+furnished housing ...etc.
Qatar University: 72000 salary+furnished housing+transportation...etc.
UAEU: 65000 salary+unfurnished housing...etc.
Bahrain University:45000+furnished housing...etc.
Taibah University: 38000+housing..etc.
Since I have no idea about the cost of living in these countries, I am confused. I do not want to stay in the U.S. (small college town with almost no diversity), plus it is too cold.
I am in debt and I have to pay around 100.000 $ in 7 years.
One university also asked me if I had another friend with a Ph.D. in TESOL. |
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tacomaboywa
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| tiptronic wrote: |
I am much confused now.
Sultan Qaboos University: 45000 salary+furnished housing ...etc.
Qatar University: 72000 salary+furnished housing+transportation...etc.
UAEU: 65000 salary+unfurnished housing...etc.
Bahrain University:45000+furnished housing...etc.
Taibah University: 38000+housing..etc.
Since I have no idea about the cost of living in these countries, I am confused. I do not want to stay in the U.S. (small college town with almost no diversity), plus it is too cold.
I am in debt and I have to pay around 100.000 $ in 7 years.
One university also asked me if I had another friend with a Ph.D. in TESOL. |
If those are offers, then I would choose Qatar. Probably a good place to save money (or pay-off loans).
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007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| tiptronic wrote: |
I am much confused now.
Sultan Qaboos University: 45000 salary+furnished housing ...etc.
Qatar University: 72000 salary+furnished housing+transportation...etc.
UAEU: 65000 salary+unfurnished housing...etc.
Bahrain University:45000+furnished housing...etc.
Taibah University: 38000+housing..etc.
Since I have no idea about the cost of living in these countries, I am confused. I do not want to stay in the U.S. (small college town with almost no diversity), plus it is too cold.
I am in debt and I have to pay around 100.000 $ in 7 years.
One university also asked me if I had another friend with a Ph.D. in TESOL. |
Well, the Gulf is too hot, but full of diversity!
I think you should make your mind and balance things (your debt, your family, your job, life, etc). The cheapest countries in the Gulf are Saudi and Oman. If you can get a min salary of $4500 in Saudi, I think you will save a lot, and probably you will pay your debts in 5 to 7 years. But before you commit yourself, do a search and ask any Gulf veterans in Canada to give your more advice. |
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Stephen Jones
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| tiptronic, you've forgotten to specify the currency for the salaries. In presuming they're per annum in US dollars but you don't make it clear. |
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tiptronic
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
| tiptronic, you've forgotten to specify the currency for the salaries. In presuming they're per annum in US dollars but you don't make it clear. |
Stephen,
All are in USD currency. Actually, I converted them.
007,
Do you mean 45000$ a year or 4500$ a month?
Thank you. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| He must mean US$4,500 a month which is about 17,000 SR. I am pretty sure that you will not get that much. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| tiptronic wrote: |
I am much confused now.
Sultan Qaboos University: 45000 salary+furnished housing ...etc.
Qatar University: 72000 salary+furnished housing+transportation...etc.
UAEU: 65000 salary+unfurnished housing...etc.
Bahrain University:45000+furnished housing...etc.
Taibah University: 38000+housing..etc. |
This is a very interesting list. May I ask where you got it? Have you received offers for these numbers or merely had contact with professors who received these amounts?
If I were you, I would first get my loans paid off. The sooner you do so, the less you will pay in interest. When I look at the variation in those numbers, I find it rather an insult that they so badly underpay Muslims who wish to live and work in Mecca or Medina. Oman and Bahrain must lower their offers based on their smaller economies, but that is NOT the situation in Saudia...
UAEU or QU would both be pleasant enough assignments and you could quickly pay off your loans. Save teaching at Taibah for the future when you are debt free, have saved a bit for your children's education, and can afford the poor pay that they offer.
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