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olabueno



Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 80
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Age Old Story Reply with quote

So, imagine this. I'm 5 mos. into my first contract and I want out. I had no intention of leaving when I signed, but things have changed. There's nothing really wrong with the school, it does the best it can with the resources it has. But, I'm not happy.

And now I want out.

I've read all the posts about other people in my situation, but they are mostly outdated.

Here's the scoop. I want to go south and find work in another province. Must I have a release letter? I've heard people say yes and no. My contract is standard, 1 year, breach penalty, etc.

Can I legally attain work (teaching) in another province without this release letter? Again, no need to respond if you pulled a runner in '89. From what I hear, regulations have been tightened. But, I have not been able to attain reliable information.

To be clear, I'm not intentionally trying to deceive my school. I just simply do not know how they will react to my request for a release letter. For all I know, they could ask for some loot, they could cancel my wrk permit...hell! they could oblige me! I have no idea. I do a fine job, no complaints, no problems, no attendance issues, etc.

What say you Daveland? Thoughts? Suggestions? Finger Wags? I will consider all of them.

Many thanks!
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Teatime of Soul



Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Posts: 905

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your contract address the issue of one party breaching the contract?
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Hansen



Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Posts: 737
Location: central China

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I'm not happy." Anything in your contract about not being happy or being happy? Best situation for you is to man up and finish your contract. You apparently have no good reason to leave, except how you feel. Why not explore options for becoming happy in your current situation? Develop some coping skills. Learn to deal with adversity. Do your best and obey the law of the pack, whatever.

Short of being happy, how about just being content? Will you settle for that? All the vagaries associated with doing a runner, you can avoid, by completing your contract, just as you said you would.

Almost certain you won't be sorry.
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killian



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Posts: 937
Location: fairmont city, illinois, USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

winter break is coming. hold on there. sounds like a vacation is in order.
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olabueno



Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 80
Location: Tampa

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, my contract has the standard breach clause.

And Hansen, as far I know, there is nothing in my contract related to happiness. That's more of a personal goal I carry. You're welcome to give your opinion of the matter, but I'm really looking for something more helpful/useful.

"Can I teach in another province without obtaining a release letter?"

I'm not in a debating mode, I will leave. I'm simply trying to gain knowledge from others that have faced this problem recently.

Lately, I'm thinking maybe I'll enjoy my vacation, then try my luck in Thailand...maybe even Vietnam or Laos.

Teaching in another province is looking less likely (and sounding less appealing) every day.

-frustrated
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thefuzz



Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do you think that the grass is going to be greener in Thailand, Vietnam or Laos? Will living in those three countries going to make you happy? I reckon that first and foremost you have to ask yourself: do I even like teaching? If your heart is not in the game you'll never going to be happy teaching anywhere else...and that's OK, not everyone is made to be a teacher.
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Laurence



Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Posts: 401

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I'm not in a debating mode, I will leave.


Your being so resolute makes me curious as to why you are so unhappy.
I suspect you are just in a rubbish place, wasting months of your valuable life dithering in the dank throes of third tier middle kingdom mediocrity.

Thailand can be just as annoying, by the way (like a beautiful girl who relies on her looks and so never develops ambition or integrity), and Laos doesn't really have any cash (fun place though). In 2008 I met someone who worked at an international school in Vientiane and they got like 800 USD per month, probably the highest teaching salary available.

In the old days one could avoid the release letter debacle by popping into HK and picking up an F visa from FBT, then coming back to the mainland and finding a job, then returning to HK for the legitimate Z visa.
However, now I think you have to be in your home country to get the Z visa paperwork processed - obviously this makes jumping ship pretty expensive.


However, in the more remote or less developed provinces (or more corrupt situations) it may still be possible to convert an F visa into a Z visa in country. This is a vast social landscape and it's hard to generalise about bureaucratic procedures.


Sorry OP you asked for hard facts, and I have given none.


Cheers and jeers to broken contracts

(what ever happened to him?)
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brsmith15



Joined: 12 May 2003
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Location: New Hampshire USA

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'd better prepare yourself for the fact that if you want to work at a legit school here, you'll need to return to your home country, get an invitation letter from your new employer, present it to your local Chinese mission (embassy or consulate), get your return Z visa.

It's what I had to do when Telfort/Delter stiffed me and refused to even come close to honoring their contract after I followed the spirit, letter and intent of the departure clause - finished all my classes, gave 2 months' notice, paid any outstanding bills. My new employer had a great deal of guang xi with all kinds of educational authoroities but to no avail.

Think of it as a vacation and take the time to rest and reflect.
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alter ego



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Posts: 209

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

olabueno wrote:
Lately, I'm thinking maybe I'll enjoy my vacation, then try my luck in Thailand...maybe even Vietnam or Laos.

Teaching in another province is looking less likely (and sounding less appealing) every day.


Do as many runners as you see fit, but just remember that running can make it more difficult to land a better job the next time. I'd recommend Vietnam, especially Hanoi, where I lived and taught English for 2+ years. The better gigs in Hanoi will want to know about your last position, why you left, etc., and even if you erase it from your CV it leaves gaps that can become harder and harder to cover up.

Maybe you could give notice with the standard death or illness in the family excuse, and say you've got to go home for a few months on personal family business. There's really nothing they can say to that excuse. They might even give you a release letter.

My advice is to cut your losses and head to Vietnam. TEFL is booming there and with the standard credentials and 2+ years under your belt there are plenty of good jobs to be had.

Never mind the macho "man up" replies of a few Neanderthals here. Doing a background check of their posts and replies often reveals more hypocritical cynicism than anything else. Wink
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