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[olabueno]

"Posts such as yours, seeking info on doing something which is obviously wrong and damaging to the field of FTs, should be in the same category as people seeking info on scoring dope in Yunnan."

So...where can score some dope in Yunan...?


I kinda figured my original question would get all twisted up on this forum. When did I ever say I was "pulling a runner?" Which, by the way, is a stupid expression. I posted to prevent this type of situation. I posted to get info. on IF I can legally obtain work in another province. I'm not sneaking off in the middle of the night.

And to even try and compare my job back home to my job here is impossible.

Thanks again everyone...

[Hansen]

OB, If your intentions are so elevated, why seek information here? Go to your employer, tell him you don't like the environment, and want to leave. That's fairly simple. He may just give you your walking papers, whatever they might be. He might like a cash payment, a breach penalty, for instance. Many of the "runners" that people pull here are simply a means of skipping out on the breach penalty, which is contained in any SAFEA contract, the contract to which most legally employed FTs agreed.

My contract has been violated many times, not by me, but by my employer. They have never paid me a penny. So in a sense, the contract has already been invalidated.

As for scoring dope in Yunnan, illegal activity requires a code of honor to succeed. People must be willing to suffer the consequences of discovery and punishment without "ratting out" their friends. If you are willing to run away from a contracted job because the city doesn't suit your special needs, I wouldn't want you on the wrong end of a cattle prod when it's my name they want.

Good luck.

[alter ego]

[alter ego]

[The Ever-changing Cleric]

[olabueno]

Yeah Cleric thanks, got most of that stuff covered...

[Hansen]

AE, We'll probably not come to an agreement on this; however, leaving the matter up to him, when his choices will reflect poorly upon the FT community as a whole, is, in my opinion, bad counsel.

Mental health professionals are familiar with a concept known as "seeking permission." It occurs when clients/patients, seek permission from their therapist, caregiver, etc., to do something they actually know is wrong.

For instance, a person in marital counselling may seek permission or justification, to have a lover. Most health care professonals probably take a "morally neutral," "non judgmental position." They themselves lack a moral compass, have or have had a lover, or plan to take one. So of course, they can't take a stand for what is right, i.e., fidelity in marriage. Moral relativism is the default position for lots of people. It's not for me. I actually do care. I believe that some things are wrong.

A couple of weeks ago, the guard at my gate was watching a couple of kids throw [golfball size] stones over a fence into the street, where many people were walking, riding bikes, zipping along. I scolded the kids and asked the guard about it. "There just kids," he said. I walked over and hit him on the side of the head with my fist. I didn't knock him out, or even down. Just enough to get his attention. Then I asked him if it mattered who throws the rock which hits one of the bicycle riders in the head [or perhaps the eye].

Get it? Sometimes there are things which are not up to the person to decide, especially when it negatively impacts others. That's why societies have laws, cultural norms, and so forth.

Sometimes, "runners" are justified. But what this guy is asking and you are leaving it up to him to decide, sounds like rubbish, like an unprincipled, immature, individual acting irresponsibly.

He may not be those things. It sounds to me as if he is.

Is pounding on my neighbor's door, or knocking the gate man in the head mature, responsible, or principled? Probably not, better yet, most definitely not. But when out of options, I also resort to my default, which at times, is violence.

The "default" for a lot of people could use some tweaking.

[wangdaning]

Hansen, your moral compass is skewed. You hit someone to prove the point that throwing rocks over a wall is wrong? I have a feeling your recent posts are bs, as the guard certainly would have reacted, or if true is going to react soon. (if it is true you should look out or you know the guard is a douche).

Comparisons with US contracts are horrible, as in the US you can leave and get your lawyer to deal with it. Even the threat will probably get the company to back down. I would leave a contract anywhere if I felt unsatisfied.

To the OP, jumping out of a contract will cost you your RP and therefore require a trip out of country. If your employer agrees then it might be transferable in country, but that depends. I concur, however, that you have to look at what you and the other party are responsible for. If everything is being fulfilled it is a bit dodgy to just run. You will not be a rep for all FTs in China, and don't even think about holding that burden. I would suggest really looking at what is wrong and why it is wrong before you run though. This is an internal search and no one on this board can help you with that.

[alter ego]

You're right about one thing Hansen, you and I will never agree on this or any other discussion on this forum. Based on your latest reply it's time for me to go into my own personal default mode, which is to ignore schizoid posters who think violence is the answer to their personal problems.

This will be our last debate here. I shall no longer respond to your absurd replies and deranged arguments that seem to reflect the actions of a man sadly out of touch with reality. You, Hansen, are the FT you speak of, the sort of expat whose destructive choices most poorly reflect upon the FT community as a whole. Like the mentally disabled patients you seem to know so much about, you've become your own worst reflection.

I wish you well, and hope you eventually get the professional help you so desperately need.

[gregmcd101]

[quote="alter ego"]