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Long term TEFLers where will you retire?
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the US one can retire at 62 or 65. Just teach until then and collect your SSI. That $1,000 to $2,000 will go very far in the usual locations. Then you can teach a few hours a week for fun.


This is not necessarily a good plan. People who work overseas for many years run into problems with Social Security. (Potentially Medicare, as well.)

First off, you need 40 quarters of work (10 years) under your belt in order to qualify for Social Security payments at all. Time you spend working overseas does not generally count toward the 40 quarters, unless it is for an American employer or you are self-employed. So, if you leave the USA very early in lie and never come back, you may not get the 40 quarters in.

Second, the amount of your payment is based on the average of your 35 highest-paid years of work. If you pay into SS for less than 35 years, the "missing" years get averaged in as zeroes, lowering your average and bringing your payment down.
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Smallbore



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked in Thailand I thought I might like to retire there - lovely people, good climate, and you get plus points for being old, which is not the case where I come from these days. However, you are always going to be very very foreign, and though I have known a few teachers (all males, I should add) who became fluent in Thai, married Thai women or even became Buddhist monks, they were a tiny minority. The other retirees I met were basically bar owners, often ex-army, drinking themselves to death in congenial surroundings. For me it was the foreignness and the language barrier that put me off, plus I married an Australian, not a Thai. We're in the Gulf now and the long-term plan is to move to Australia when the children are ready for high school.
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kazachka



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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Location: Moscow and Alaska

PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
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In the US one can retire at 62 or 65. Just teach until then and collect your SSI. That $1,000 to $2,000 will go very far in the usual locations. Then you can teach a few hours a week for fun.


This is not necessarily a good plan. People who work overseas for many years run into problems with Social Security. (Potentially Medicare, as well.)

First off, you need 40 quarters of work (10 years) under your belt in order to qualify for Social Security payments at all. Time you spend working overseas does not generally count toward the 40 quarters, unless it is for an American employer or you are self-employed. So, if you leave the USA very early in lie and never come back, you may not get the 40 quarters in.

Second, the amount of your payment is based on the average of your 35 highest-paid years of work. If you pay into SS for less than 35 years, the "missing" years get averaged in as zeroes, lowering your average and bringing your payment down.


I'll never get SS. First off, I am glad I am not paying into smthg that will not be there for me by the time I reach retirement age. What a waste. Secondly, I'm just shy of 40 quarters from all those "jobs" (no Wendy's is not a job but it was scholarship $ in college) I had from 14 -21. Third, after I moved to Alaska in 96, I was no longer putting into SS but rather we have our own state pension system which is a helluva lot better than SS and we put into that instead.I'm vested in that system and if I put in 6 more yrs, my pension will triple from the minimum I will get if I never return. I have no desire to put a dime into SS ever again. I believe in getting returns on investments not flushing money down the toilet of a system that will fold and be bankrupt before I ever get said returns. My parents' generation is likely the last generation that will see SS.
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norwalkesl



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
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In the US one can retire at 62 or 65. Just teach until then and collect your SSI. That $1,000 to $2,000 will go very far in the usual locations. Then you can teach a few hours a week for fun.


This is not necessarily a good plan. People who work overseas for many years run into problems with Social Security. (Potentially Medicare, as well.)

First off, you need 40 quarters of work (10 years) under your belt in order to qualify for Social Security payments at all. Time you spend working overseas does not generally count toward the 40 quarters, unless it is for an American employer or you are self-employed. So, if you leave the USA very early in lie and never come back, you may not get the 40 quarters in.

Second, the amount of your payment is based on the average of your 35 highest-paid years of work. If you pay into SS for less than 35 years, the "missing" years get averaged in as zeroes, lowering your average and bringing your payment down.


Of course you need to meet the SSi requirements. I have been working since 1977. My check, if it clears, will be a handy sum to live on a beach. Most Americans my age or older have SSi and a pension. Those younger will need to save anything they want to retire upon. It is also likely that SSi benefits will be drastically cut in the next decade as the USA begins to live within its means.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who are subjects of Her Britannic Majesty, it is worth investigating the National Insurance system.

If I make it to 2012 I will get 100 pounds a week. OK if you are on a beach in Thailand but below poverty in the Yookay !
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norwalkesl wrote:
Zero wrote:
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In the US one can retire at 62 or 65. Just teach until then and collect your SSI. That $1,000 to $2,000 will go very far in the usual locations. Then you can teach a few hours a week for fun.


This is not necessarily a good plan. People who work overseas for many years run into problems with Social Security. (Potentially Medicare, as well.)

First off, you need 40 quarters of work (10 years) under your belt in order to qualify for Social Security payments at all. Time you spend working overseas does not generally count toward the 40 quarters, unless it is for an American employer or you are self-employed. So, if you leave the USA very early in lie and never come back, you may not get the 40 quarters in.

Second, the amount of your payment is based on the average of your 35 highest-paid years of work. If you pay into SS for less than 35 years, the "missing" years get averaged in as zeroes, lowering your average and bringing your payment down.


Of course you need to meet the SSi requirements. I have been working since 1977. My check, if it clears, will be a handy sum to live on a beach. Most Americans my age or older have SSi and a pension. Those younger will need to save anything they want to retire upon. It is also likely that SSi benefits will be drastically cut in the next decade as the USA begins to live within its means.


Totally correct, which is why it is a complete waste for a 35 yr old like myself to be contribute to SS.
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PattyFlipper



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:

If I make it to 2012 I will get 100 pounds a week. OK if you are on a beach in Thailand but below poverty in the Yookay !


It wouldn't go very far on most beaches in Thailand nowadays either, unless you are talking about beaches in say Narathiwat or some other far flung corner of the Thai Kingdom, with few of the trappings of anything even remotely resembling a Western lifestyle. I'd go off my trolley within a couple of months living somewhere like that. Better than the Salvation Army Hostel in Battersea, I suppose, but only just. The problem with beaches is that most of the ones I would actually like to live near tend to be beyond the means of a pensioned-off (if you are very lucky) TEFLer.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Means-tested benefit in UK for single over-60 is currently 130 pounds a week plus Housing Costs. Capital Limit is 6000 pounds in Savings.

My plan is to keep going until 65 and then get my National Insurance Retirement Pension of just over 100 pounds a week. That is higher than the average salary in Bulgaria, where I plan to spend my dotage.

I would rather do myself in than go and live in Siam. The refernce to " a beach in Thailand" was shorthand for somewhere far from Western Europe. Not to be taken literally.

My recent visits to my native Scotia tell me that is not the place for me.

So - to my apartment in provincial Bulgaria, where at least I will be near my daughters !
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littleoldlady



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scot
What about Nova Scotia? Lovely crisp weather, friendly people, all wild and woolly ( not the people).
Anyway, I thought all you guys were loaded and could stick two fingers up at Mr. Gorgeous Brown.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 failed marriages and a 30-year career as a sot have ensured that all I have is my gratuity from my current job and the promise from HM Treasury of 100 pounds a week from the National Insurance Fund.

I will make it in my Balkan redoubt. Teetotal, non-smoker. I have modest tastes and have given up philandering.

Gordon Brown was a near contemporary of mine in school but I cannot say he is a big pal !
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just encouraged in my plans by reading the government in Sofia have announced minimum wage in Bulgaria for 2010 is 120 Euros a month for a 40 hour week.

I'll be okay.

"If you run your engine right, you'll get there just in time."
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runthegauntlet



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kazachka wrote:


I'll never get SS. First off, I am glad I am not paying into smthg that will not be there for me by the time I reach retirement age. What a waste.


That's incorrect. The SS Trust Fund will be exhausted by 2037. Then, they will pay out about 76 cents for each dollar of scheduled benefits. It's not going to disappear. It'll just decrease by about 25%.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is always assuming, of course, that:

A) the current taxation to the fund does not change. A very slight restructuring of SS contributions could keep it 100% solvent (able to make 100% payments) for as long as you like.

And B) Minimal economic growth. Economists are doomsayers- If you look at the stats that gave you the 2037 figure, I'll bet you'll find that the projection for economic growth used to arrive at that figure is very modest. If the economy grows even slightly more or faster than the figure used, even the modest contribution restructuring referred to in A won't be necessary, or at least not nearly so soon.



Social security solvency is one of the invented bugaboos of our time. There are numerous relatively painless ways it can be fixed.

Best,
Justin
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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. The idea that there will be hordes of aged homeless is never going to happen.

And remember that the grey vote will decide elections too. What party is going to run on a "we'll be ending ss ticket"?

These are scare tactics. Ask yourself, who benefits from their distribution?
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

runthegauntlet wrote:
kazachka wrote:


I'll never get SS. First off, I am glad I am not paying into smthg that will not be there for me by the time I reach retirement age. What a waste.


That's incorrect. The SS Trust Fund will be exhausted by 2037. Then, they will pay out about 76 cents for each dollar of scheduled benefits. It's not going to disappear. It'll just decrease by about 25%.


I'll be63 then- no guarantee I'll live til then and if I do, the retirement age will likely have been jacked to 100. I'm still feeling much more secure with TRS in the Alaska system.
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