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jamesmollo · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 276 Location: jilin china

Lipps, did it not occur to you that maybe the op had good reason to leave?
Lucky for you, you haven't encountered a bad employer here in China!
You can end up in some terrible situations here by no fault of your own.

Ariadne · Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 960

If the OP is experiencing some horrible working or living conditions, why not just say so? Maybe folks could give him some ideas for solving the problems or better ways to remove himself from the situation. He did say he wanted to work in China again.

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A'Moo · Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:18 pm Post subject:

Nobody is calling into question FT's "rights" to call it quits, and nobody knows the OP's situation. Its just a recommendation that things be done face-to-face.
Treat things here as you would back home. I'm sure most of us have quit jobs back home...Not sure how many have quit those jobs by just not showing up and heading for the nearest airport...

The Ever-changing Cleric · Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523

vikeologist · Joined: 07 Sep 2009 Posts: 600

OP - You're not some young backpacker and I presume you haven't got to this point in life by being irresponsible, and so if this is honestly the action you need to take, that's a tremendous shame. If the problems have been caused by the University, I hope that you can post at least some kind of vague reference to what has led to this.

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Rob Aston · Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 15

The release form makes things easier, both in terms of finding a new job and that new place getting you the relevant documents though if theyre desperate enough for you they can do it without.

My only experience was leaving during a contract mainly down to accommodation issues, I gave the 30 day period and got the form with a glowing reference. There have been a lot of cases I have heard of though where the form has been horrific, a terrible reference which even if the new employer accepts the authorities wouldn't. The only way around that is to go home and get a new Z visa. This seems to be the majority of cases of people quitting early I know. Doing a runner will ensure you do not get the release form, a trip home or maybe to Hong Kong will get you around that though.

The more serious aspect is the residence permit. When you quit a job you have 30 days to find a new one or get a new visa. I know a case of someone who walked and stayed in China for 3 months on his residence permit meaning technically he was staying in the country illegally. If the school choose to pursue you on that angle you could end up screwed, the local PSB have said that this guy will never get a permit in China again though im not sure if that is likely or not. Breaking a school contract though is one thing, becoming an immigration offender is another.

mrwslee003 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 190

Last year one of my colleagues left her esl job without a trace.
No one knew and no one could have given her any help if she was in
need of help. And we just made do without her.
Working in China, without any "union" or organized support, you are
really on your own against the employer. I would say it is fair game
that some would take leave like that, because some, not many, of us are
not used to working without a support network.
In a foreign country with cultural and language difficulties, it is understandable that some would take the escape route. I don't think there should be any lasting consequences. The employer doesn't usually have the resources to find you and take you to task.
I just hope not too many are finding themselves in that situation.
You have my sympathies if you did.

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject:

The next insult posted on this thread will result in the member becoming an ex-member along with their iSP being banned.

Jayray · Joined: 28 Feb 2009 Posts: 373 Location: Back East

I can understand why some folks might consider walking out of a job: nasty, crooked FAO, terrible living conditions, bad working facilities and having to deal with FT colleagues with pathological personalities. It is really difficult for me to cast blame on someone who feels as though he must bug out in the middle of the night. I've been there.

One should walk a mile in another's shoes before he throws stones.

stillnosheep · Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe

Not sure if this counts as a quitting or a sacking but I once left a job after having been 'sacked' by a school mid-contract for having the temerity to become ill due to oft-reported damp living conditions, at which news I contacted the nearest consulate, confirmed that school were not registered to employ foreign experts, met with the director who had sacked me and explained to him that unless I received all monies owed and half of my completion airfare (as I had completed half of my contract) I would report school to relevant authorities for employing teachers without permission on dodgy visas obtained from another province.

After the normal nonsense I was offered re-instatement which I turned down as I felt that the trust necessary for my continued employment at the school had broken down. I had to wait in the office while the school secretary was dispatched to, I presume, a local bank, but eventually I left the office with the requested monies owed and 50% of the airfare owed on completion of contract, as I had requested.

Rather than do a runner to the airport; I bought a motorbike with the money I had received and took off on a motorbike tour of SW China.

Job done.