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naturegirl321
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| Write things down. While people may not be able to understand spoken English, they could probably get the gist if you wrote it down. |
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
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| In all the places where I lived in Japan, I got back 90-95% of my security deposit. None of the key money, though. |
And how much would key money be in Japan? |
1-2 months's rent equivalent.
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SaratheSlytherin wrote:
I realize that it's preferable to go to the country and talk to the people at the school face-to-face, but I haven't ruled out the possibility of setting up a job in advance. |
Yes, it is. but then you'd have to go back home to get the visa. Many countries want you to be in yoiur home country when you get a work visa |
Not in Japan, but we've already established how expensive it is here.
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| As for money, don't deiscount the extra money you can do by teaching privates, doing IELTS, editing, etc. |
Yes, extra money on side jobs is always possible, but I have to point out that the reality (in Japan, anyway, and I'm sure this applies to many other places that the OP should confirm) is that private lessons may not be easy to find or keep, and editing is highly competitive. People who do either of these, in my experience, and who don't know what they are doing run 2 risks:
1) undercutting the market for those who know what they are doing and perhaps live here longer, and
2) putting a negative image on either line of work. I can't tell you how many freelance proofreaders there are who can't really do the job.
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Are you serious? Saving $10k USD a year??
Saving is very, very important to me. |
It is to all of us, Sara, but don't just leap at places because someone says you can save X dollars. Find out exactly how they did it, and whether you are in a position to do the same. Also find out what the xenophobia is like there (high in Korea) and what the visa situation is (in Korea you lose it when you lose a job, unlike Japan). |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| It is to all of us, Sara, but don't just leap at places because someone says you can save X dollars. Find out exactly how they did it, and whether you are in a position to do the same. Also find out what the xenophobia is like there (high in Korea) and what the visa situation is (in Korea you lose it when you lose a job, unlike Japan). |
Not to mention that you cannot have a second job in South Korea. In Japan and Taiwan you can legally work more than one job. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Location: the Southlands of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:16 am Post subject: |
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SaratheSlytherin,
Or you could find a kindergarten job for 8000 to 10,000RMB a month with a free apartment. If you find a job for 10,000 you might be able to save half. |
If saving is the goal, Korea might sound even better. 10k+ USD a year is hard NOT to do. |
Are you serious? Saving $10k USD a year??
Saving is very, very important to me. I'm at the point in life where I want to be able to save some money, although I'm not ready to settle down yet, I just can't scrape by anymore.
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Yep. I saved 13.5k my first year, 15k this year. |
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runthegauntlet
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Location: the Southlands of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
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| It is to all of us, Sara, but don't just leap at places because someone says you can save X dollars. Find out exactly how they did it, and whether you are in a position to do the same. Also find out what the xenophobia is like there (high in Korea) and what the visa situation is (in Korea you lose it when you lose a job, unlike Japan). |
Not to mention that you cannot have a second job in South Korea. In Japan and Taiwan you can legally work more than one job. |
You can only have a second job if your job and immigration okay it and put it on your ARC.
But for most, the level of savings from one job is sufficient and attempting a second one isn't necessary. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| You can only have a second job if your job and immigration okay it and put it on your ARC. |
In some countries you can get a second job on your own. No need for your boss to approve it. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| You can only have a second job if your job and immigration okay it and put it on your ARC. |
In some countries you can get a second job on your own. No need for your boss to approve it. |
Ah, yes, of course. I was referring to Korea. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| I understood perfectly well what you were refering to. I have worked in Korea. I am just trying to make things clear for readers. Just because you don't want to earn extra money does not mean that some other posters don't want to save money for buying real estate or other things. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| I understood perfectly well what you were refering to. I have worked in Korea. I am just trying to make things clear for readers. Just because you don't want to earn extra money does not mean that some other posters don't want to save money for buying real estate or other things. |
That's just swell, JZ. You've got a funny little passive-aggressive way of posting that makes me smile. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Well, it is good that we are on a civilized forum like Dave's. If you met me in a pub for a chat I might be more aggressive with my words and less passive. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Well, it is good that we are on a civilized forum like Dave's. If you met me in a pub for a chat I might be more aggressive with my words and less passive. |
I could only hope.
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Oi. You two stop flirting.
I'd add that savings potential varies from person to person, not just place to place.
I saved a pile on my previous stint in SE Asia, and while it isn't the only reason, it's one motivation for going back. (Next month. YIKES.)
In Latin America, though- private classes or second jobs really aren't the best way to save money. Much better to get a good first job, and focus on it. Privates, unless you're very lucky, just don't have the margin to be worth the time investment.
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| In Latin America, though- private classes or second jobs really aren't the best way to save money. Much better to get a good first job, and focus on it. Privates, unless you're very lucky, just don't have the margin to be worth the time investment. |
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I got lucky, I live off of privates, BUT
If they cancel, I don't get paid
No paid vacation
No medical, pension, etc
Lots of running around getting to classes
It's not what it's cracked up to be. |
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Justin Trullinger
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hear Hear.
Another issue is benefits- my take is that a good job, such as an international school or exceptionally good EFL position, doesn't leave much room for privates, but pays enough more than the run of the mill that you can do better at it. |
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spanglish
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Location: working on that
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I agree about the privates in Latin America. I'd have to charge $50.00 US/hour for classes in Bogota (which is about the ceiling for privates, more than double what I was able to get) and get 12+ consistent hours a week (me traveling to them) to approach what international school teachers make.
Much better to just get a good job from the get go. Though it might be kind of fun to build a language school from scratch. |
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