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blacky1
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 Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: University Taiwan - What's Their Thinking....? |
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Why don't Taiwanese universities advertise on Dave's ESL Cafe?
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ScottSommers
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That's a good question. Actually, some of them do. Others advertize on forums used by American universities to recruit faculty, like The Chronicle of Higher Education http://chronicle.com/jobs/100/500/2500/. The problem with this is that applicants are often not living in Taiwan, so they can't be interviewed face-to-face. Schools that want a candidate they can meet, advertize in local newspapers or recruit through contacts they have on the island.
Actually, this is a good question, and I'm interested in the opinions of others. |
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blacky1
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Korean Universities advertise on Dave's ESL Cafe.
Tawian and Japan Universities do NOT advertise on Dave's ESL Cafe.
Has Dave's been black listed among univ. in Japan and Taiwan ? |
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riser
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| Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: Low turnover in Japan and Taiwan |
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| Universities in Japan and Taiwan tend to have lower turnover based on better working conditions so they do not need to advertise on the ESL Cafe. In addition, there may not be as many foreign teachers needed as the local staff are compentent enough to teach English. However, in Korea working conditions at universities have deteriated in the last few years resulting in a higher turnover. Therefore, Korean universities need to recruit teachers more often. |
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MTurton
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I think the reason is simpler: while the student population may have one ICQ number for each cell in their bodies, the instructor population is almost laughably ignorant of the Internet. Of the five chairman I have enjoyed in my six years in the system, none knew the first thing about the internet and there was one whose email was done by the sec'y, since she did not know how. The system is still run by people who came up in the 60s and 70s and are nearing retirement, and who are techno-illiterates.
The second reason is that teachers are typically found through the grapevine. |
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ScottSommers
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| I have to agree with you. MCU has computers in every classroom and a mandatory course on something about computer use for every student, but their server is constantly down and the Website is pathetic. |
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Miyazaki
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I think a lot of universities in Taiwan rely on cold-calls from applicants.
However, Taiwanese universities do advertise on The Linguist, The Chronicle of Higher Education and the MoE website. |
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TravellingAround
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: Re: University Taiwan - What's Their Thinking....? |
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| blacky1 wrote: |
| Why don't Taiwanese universities advertise on Dave's ESL Cafe? |
The obvious answer is because the people who use Dave's are not by and large who they are aiming to reach.
Taiwan universities are looking for PhD holders with publications if possible, not ESL teachers. Example - http://chronicle.com/jobs/id.php?id=0000484249-01. "Requirements: Doctorate in one of the specified areas and fluency in spoken and written English." Lord knows why they need to mention English proficiency after requesting a presumably western doctorate holder.
The monthly wage for an Assistant Professor is NT$68,190/month so doesn't sound too awesome.
If anybody wants to teach in a university who doesn't have any academic pedigree regarding further qualifications etc then they should move to China where a BA will see you into some lesser universities, in fact a BA is all that is needed for some of the better unis too if you know the right person or a friend of a friend. It seems that in Taiwanese HE they expect higher quality when it comes to their staff qualifications than in the mainland. |
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Miyazaki
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: Re: University Taiwan - What's Their Thinking....? |
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| TravellingAround wrote: |
The monthly wage for an Assistant Professor is NT$68,190/month so doesn't sound too awesome. |
$68,000 per-month for what, an 8 or 9 hour work-week?
Most of us cram-school teachers do a 25 - 35 hour work week and don't make this kind of coin!
Also, many university instructors get a red envelope for CNY, which most buxiban TEFL'ers don't get. I've also been told that they typically get about 5 months paid vacation a year. Is that right? So, these guys work 7 months a year but get paid for 13 or 14 months. SWEET!!!!!!!
To top it off, many of them only do a 3-day work week and don't have to teach on Saturday or Sunday.
I imagine these guys also probably do adjunct work and top their salaries up to over $100,000 a month. The real stinger is that, in the end, to earn that $100,000 per-month, they teach only a fraction of the hours per-week the cram school TEFL'ers do.
And you think this "doesn't sound too awesome?"
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TravellingAround
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: Re: University Taiwan - What's Their Thinking....? |
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And you think this "doesn't sound too awesome?"
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Think you have taken my quote out of context there somewhat.
For someone who has worked their way to a relevant PhD in the subject then no it doesn't sound too awesome, not compared to what they can make in other places. While there they would also be expected to publish papers to enhance the reputation of the institution. Comparing them with a local school teacher is a bit like comparing apples and pears.
Not sure why they are being compared to TEFL teachers as they aren't there just to teach Oral English. The advert is for specialised experts in certain fields - namely British Literature in that advert. We are talking about people who have studied in their subject for years and years. Such individuals aren't getting a "sweet" deal but rather their just desserts for extensive and prolonged dedication, both financial and academic, to their subject.
My comment wasn't comparing them to cram-school teachers earning so much but rather to what universities in Hong Kong would pay such qualified people.
I didn't mean the job wouldn't be great - I'd love it but am not qualified - but that I know in Hong Kong or Japan some excellent money can be made in universities....and, yes, for only about ten hours actual teaching time a week. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| In addition, there may not be as many foreign teachers needed as the local staff are compentent enough to teach English. |
This is a bunch of c r a p. If you think that Taiwan has enough competent local people then you are crazy. The level of English in Taiwan and Korea is pretty similar. |
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