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SnoopBot
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GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
They allow a 3-year diploma in many places too. Those diploma's are common in the UK/NZ/Aus education system.
The USA has a 2-year degree program, most universities in Beijing will reject a 2-year AA/AS degree but will accept a 3-year diploma especially if the FT has some experience.
Generally, the requirement is a 4-year degree. Some activity is being reported that the Chinese government is looking at restricting certain degree programs or will add extra requirements in the future.
This would be for non-education undergraduate majors. Details are sketchy and since China has the lowest pay levels I don't think they can place too much restrictions on the FT populace without having shortages.
They are looking at finding ways to lure the thousands of recently Obama laid off certified teachers into the Chinese education system. |
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kukiv
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| well, those who have not witnessed deportation and the fact that you can't come back again-hey go for it |
Roger - deportation of FT's in China? As in being arrested and then ejected from the country for teaching illegal - for breaking the rules regarding teaching jobs for FT's? Deportation as in having your passport marked in such a way you'll not be able to enter China again with that travel document?
I'm certainly not going to encourage any FT to break rules, since it's widespread rule breaking that seems to have dumped the mainstream China EFL job market at such a low standard - but unsubstantiated stories of deportations!!!!!!!!!!!
I remember, some time ago, reading here about a teacher in Shenzhen - who had wife and family in China - and was, for some reason, taken to the HK border and not allowed back into China. But I can't remember if that was teaching related.
There was also the story of a Shenzhen FT - on an F visa - who was told to stop work and go to HK.
But there seems very few reported cases - and I've yet to hear of any ugly deportations (maybe some of the Africans caught up in the GZ trouble - and thrown out of China - were here on teaching related matters) - but since I have no experience in the matters, I'll bow to the experts who surely have a few juicy stories up their sleeves  |
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rogerwallace
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: i HAVE SEEN THIS... |
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I saw a young American FT get booted out of Gansu once, he was out of the country within 24 hours. Yes, it doesn't happen often but I wouldn't want to be that one-time! An American FT(18 years in China) told me about her experience with the security folks when the USA plane crashed with the prc jet that crashed in the 90's -she said it was scary to be alone with the interogation and all in a locked room.
Why take the chance of working without a legel work visa? Its no different in the US- with raids at will and deportation-china is no different(I bet many mexican nationals think that they will never be caught either).
As for me-I don't go unless I have the Z visa in my passport and I am regestered with my embassey. |
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kukiv
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| I saw a young American FT get booted out of Gansu once, he was out of the country within 24 hours. |
That's interesting Roger - was that booting a deportation order for working as an illegal FT? What rule did he break? Did he leave China by his own means - or was he escorted onto a plane back home? |
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nickpellatt
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I cant imagine a 4 year rule...not at all. UK degrees are not 4 years, or 95% of them are not. Standard UK honours degree takes 3 years to complete.
ttoriel and rogerwallace take note.  UK degrees are not 4 years in length, and the same probably rings true for many other countries too. Professionalism is understanding that not everything is the same as the USA  |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| nickpellatt wrote: |
I cant imagine a 4 year rule...not at all. UK degrees are not 4 years, or 95% of them are not. Standard UK honours degree takes 3 years to complete.
ttoriel and rogerwallace take note. UK degrees are not 4 years in length, and the same probably rings true for many other countries too. Professionalism is understanding that not everything is the same as the USA |
A master's degree is at least 2-years in the USA too. often a master's degree is around 1-year in length in the NZ/UK/Aus system.
In recent years many master's degree programs are considered "dual degree programs" or programs that require an additional year of study often involving a research project/thesis component or specialization.
The coveted MAEd TESOL degree program is now 3-years long at many institutions in the USA.
3-years at an average cost of 10K-20K per year to earn and extra 500-RMB a month? How's that for making the big bucks and a motivation to teach in China. |
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Renegade_o_Funk
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A'Moo
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ttorriel wrote: |
GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
Ive never seen individuals as proud of a bachelors degree as they are here on Daves.. |
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Rooster_2006
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| A'Moo wrote: |
| ttorriel wrote: |
GET BACK actual topic from the poster of this thread.
It is the official policy of the PRC that 4-year degree is required in all provinces.
If you don't meet the requirements, please stop trying to find a way to bypass the law and simply obtain the necessary credentials or go to a country that has even more lax laws than China. |
Ive never seen individuals as proud of a bachelors degree as they are here on Daves.. |
Hahaha, I totally know what you mean.
"I have 16 years of general education, whereas you only have 15 years, you troglodyte. I'm superior to you."
By the way, I have 3.5 years of post-secondary education and a CELTA. So I guess that intellectually-speaking, I'm a caveman. |
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SnoopBot
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| Renegade_o_Funk wrote: |
| I suppose with a degree like that one could get a job at the coveted "International Schools" But do they pay enough to justify all that schooling ? I have yet to meet anyone who works at one, or see a poster on here that actually works at one. I had a supposed recruiter tell me the other day they had a position at an international school that paid 120,000 yuan a month, gave you a free apartment, and 3 free meals a day. I thought that was pretty funny. |
No, it only means around 500-750 RMB extra a month in the university circuits.
IB schools require subject area credentials along with IB certification or experience. In this case a 4-year degree trumps a 3-year master's degree if it is not IB centered.
Most 1st tier IB schools only recruit directly from sister institutions recruiting or rotating the same teacher pool groups and utilizing exchange programs. Most are connected to the UK.
2nd Tier IB schools are often operated from investors from Singapore, I taught in one of these schools. The pay is higher than the common ESOL positions but require 40-hours plus a week along with dual role positions.
In that school having a master's helped, in the ME a master's degree is required for many better positions.
Legit teaching at the university level in the USA requires a master's degree or higher, in China you're basically another "Sucker" if they can get you for 5000-RMB a month with a legit master's degree. Just don't expect to get paid for it. |
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