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Bini123



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Where to go? No Degree? Reply with quote

I have no degree or teaching experience only a TEFL qualification. I am intersted in so many places - Asia, Africa and Latin America. Ideally, China would be a great place to start, but I dont have a degree?

Indonesia keeps popping up, but im not sure what the lifestyle would be like? Say if i did a year in indonesia, would I have more chance of getting a job in China or India after one years experience? And what about Africa and Latin America?

As you probably can tell im a bit lost as to where I want to go?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to go? No Degree? Reply with quote

Bini123 wrote:
I have no degree or teaching experience only a TEFL qualification. I am intersted in so many places - Asia, Africa and Latin America. Ideally, China would be a great place to start, but I dont have a degree?

Indonesia keeps popping up, but im not sure what the lifestyle would be like? Say if i did a year in indonesia, would I have more chance of getting a job in China or India after one years experience? And what about Africa and Latin America?

As you probably can tell im a bit lost as to where I want to go?


Africa, I don-t think so. China is an option. Don-t need experience to work there. Better than LA, because many places don-t get visas. Mexico does though.
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AdrianG4



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do the majority of latin america for sure.

Most Southeast asian countries definitely too. If you have the experience and the charisma, a school will "take care" of you, apparently.

Im doing the TESOL in Guanajuato mexico as we speak and I havent finished my degree. Youre pretty much free to get a job teaching english anywhere in Mexico without a degree (Language institutes/business english/Colegios will ask for your tefl/tesol before they ask for your degree [if they even ask for it]) except for a Uni job. Even then, make some "connections" (thats all mexico ends up being anyway ..) and you may even end up in a Uni teaching English. That is a long shot though, but still, make some Mexican friends

I am fortunate enough to be Mexican American and my spanish is well above average, so this will benefit my forthcoming relationships in Meh'hee'co.
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China is an option -- if you want to work illegally. It's fairly easy to walk in to a place and ask if they need a part-time teacher and get some hours. You could cobble together a bunch of small jobs if you don't mind spending a lot of time in transit.
The bad news is A) There's a big fine for working illegally. B) You could get screwed out of your pay if the boss suddenly doesn't want to pay you. C) In addition to the fine, you could be deported.
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would have a good chance of working in China. I had several co-workers there who had no qualifications whatsoever, not even a TEFL certificate, and they were all working legally. That was just a few years ago, although they might have tightened up a bit in the meantime.

A word of warning though: China isnt always the nicest place to live(although the students are really nice if you teach adults), and you will most likely be getting paid peanuts....

You can work illegally in Turkey too if you want to run the risk. It's a fairly small risk. I did that for about 7 months in my first job because of their incompetencies getting a work permit, then for around 4-5 months in my next job while they got round to processing my work permit. A shockingly large percentage of my co-workers in Turkey were working without work permisson. The headteacher in the language school I first worked in was a 21 yr old American kid with ZERO qualifications and no work permit!

You could try the Turco-British Association(TBA or 'Ingiliz Kultur') in Ankara, Turkey. You dont have to be British(although thats a plus obviously), the pay isnt great but they pay on time and pay for your accomodation and bills etc. Lovely students for the most part. They have an NGO status so they can get visas for people who otherwise would have problems at language schools.
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Where to go? No Degree? Reply with quote

Bini123 wrote:
I have no degree or teaching experience only a TEFL qualification. I am intersted in so many places - Asia, Africa and Latin America. Ideally, China would be a great place to start, but I dont have a degree?

Indonesia keeps popping up, but im not sure what the lifestyle would be like? Say if i did a year in indonesia, would I have more chance of getting a job in China or India after one years experience? And what about Africa and Latin America?

As you probably can tell im a bit lost as to where I want to go?
So, what's keeping you from getting your degree?
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ingrey



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might have some trouble landing a decent gig without a degree heh.
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idiggs



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on your qualifications:

Indonesia (you will have no problem finding work there)

China (about 50% chance finding work there)

Mexico (about 75% chance finding work there)

South America (most countries there will offer you work)

Central America (you will have no problem finding work there)


Don't feel alone. We are almost in the same boat but I'm quite the opposite. I have an associates degree and no TEFL. I am starting the TEFL course next week. However, even after completing the course, the only other country that I will be qualified to teach in is Taiwan. I heard about loopholes that may allow you to teach in other countries but I haven't heard much about them (so maybe someone can shed some light on that).

It seems like the bachelor's degree and the CELTA/Trinity is the best way to go.


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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
China is an option -- if you want to work illegally.

working without a degree in china isnt illegal if the school you end up working for gets you the documents for the Z visa. there are hundreds, probably thousands of esl teachers working in china who dont have degrees. yet they have Z visas/residence permits, and are therefore working legally. the trick is to find a school that will hire you without a degree. but it is possible.

bulgogiboy wrote:
A word of warning though: China isnt always the nicest place to live(although the students are really nice if you teach adults), and you will most likely be getting paid peanuts....

bulgogi boy, based on your experiences - it would be beneficial if you could tell us what's so bad about living in china? how long were you in china for and where did you live?

the chance of getting paid peanuts increases w/o a degree in china, but depending on how you network yourself, the potential exists for making some decent cash.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C A M B O D I A
try it and see Cool
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:
Old Surrender wrote:
China is an option -- if you want to work illegally.

working without a degree in china isnt illegal if the school you end up working for gets you the documents for the Z visa. there are hundreds, probably thousands of esl teachers working in china who dont have degrees. yet they have Z visas/residence permits, and are therefore working legally. the trick is to find a school that will hire you without a degree. but it is possible.

bulgogiboy wrote:
A word of warning though: China isnt always the nicest place to live(although the students are really nice if you teach adults), and you will most likely be getting paid peanuts....

bulgogi boy, based on your experiences - it would be beneficial if you could tell us what's so bad about living in china? how long were you in china for and where did you live?

the chance of getting paid peanuts increases w/o a degree in china, but depending on how you network yourself, the potential exists for making some decent cash.




Hi there,


I was only in China for around 5 months, then I came back home for my Brother's wedding and decided I really didn't fancy going back. I have a degree in English (It's an MA, but an undergrad MA). I also studied hard at Mandarin all the time I was there, by doing a private course at my school, and studying hard at home too. I was able to chat
(learning from pinyin) at around intermediate level after a few months of hard study and practicing in shops,etc at every opportunity (with awfully corrupted tones no doubt), and made a real attempt to understand Chinese culture. I felt the city I was in, Zhuhai, was quite a melting of pot of Chinese provincial cultures, with people from all over the country working there.

I just struggled to enjoy my time there, and I really did try. I found in China I suffered alot of prejudice and racism. I managed to deal with it by reasoning that it was no worse than many Asian people suffer back in the UK. I saw it as a learning experience, but one I knew I could only cope with for a limited time period. China is the only place I've lived where I actually felt intimidated and uncomfortable walking on the streets. As I say, this was in Zhuhai, which by all accounts is one of China's most 'Westernised' cities, being a special economic zone, and having a fair amount of exposure to foreigners via Macau on it's border and Hong Kong across the water.

I regularly had people saying nasty things to me as I walked by, shouting things at me from afar, laughing at me, giving me malevolent stares, looking like they wanted to hit me. Security guards seemed to have a problem with me, they would often say shit as I walked past, or I would smile at them and they would laugh derisively at me. My girlfriend at the time often felt the unspoken judgement of those others around her at being with a white man. I also heard people calling me the racist names in Chinese fairly often. I had done nothing to deserve this, and had never experienced anything like this in all the time I lived in small cities in Korea, where people are equally shy and awkward about foreigners.

The worst thing I would get on the streets in Korea would be schoolkids shouting 'hello' at me to impress their friends, or wanting to have snowball fights with me in the winter (no big deal there Very Happy ). I also want to point out that I'm a pretty ordinary looking caucasian guy, average height, only a modest beer gut Laughing , with no bizarre facial hair, tattoos, piercings, or whacky clothes that might bring attention to me or cause people who are so inclined to want to taunt me. It was purely because I was white and not Chinese.

According to a co-worker who had been all over China, to some of the most remote parts, Zhuhai was one of the better places to be a foreigner on the streets. In other cities people would shout things at you as a matter of course, with much more frequency.

I met some great people in China, mostly co-workers and students, and I'm glad I went, as the experience helped me grow as a person, but on the whole from the 4 countries I've lived in (China, Korea - 3.5 yrs, Thailand- 6 mths and Turkey -1.5 yrs) China is the place I would definitely NEVER go back to work in!

On the other hand, one thing that I am really glad about, about living in China, was that it gave me a real understanding of how horrible it feels to be treated badly because of your skin colour/race. I was fairly anti-racist in the first place, but having been directly on the receiving end of it in China I am determined more than ever to treat all people with equality and dignity.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying China is bad for everyone, at least one of my Western co-workers loved the place, and was determined to spend the rest of his life there, but I just knew for me it was a place I would never ever fit in comfortably. It wasn't really about the money either. The average TEFL job in China isn't very well paid, and neither was mine, but I had enough to live on comfortably all the time I was there. I didn't go there for money I went to learn Mandarin and see what living in China was like. I didn't like it. If you do like it then great, I'm happy for you, all the best to you. We all have our different likes and dislikes, one man's heaven is another man's hell etc. Very Happy
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NYCESOL11211



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's up with the "Cambodia Try It And See" dude?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear NYCESOL11311,

Oh, don't mind khmerhit; he usually shows up and posts that whenever there's a "where should I go" discussion.

He's a big Cambodia fan, and, no - he doesn't get any kickbacks from the Chamber of Commerce. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's up with it? Sounds like it might be a good place to teach!! Thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to PM this individual for some specifics!
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stug



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anywhere in Europe or the Middle East where one can find work, with a CELTA, a university diploma in English Language Studies (no degree yet), an EU passport, and a couple of years experience in TEFL?

In particular, I'd like to work in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Spain or an Arabic-speaking country. At the end of the day though, I'm not too bothered really.
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