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Imseriouslylost
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 123 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:30 am Post subject: Got a job, visa and a plane ticket... |
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Which puts me in better shape than most. I'd like to thank everyone on here as if it weren't for various forums I'm on I don't think this would've been possible.
There *are* jobs in Japan, you just have to apply to every single one of them in order to find one. I was lucky enough to have a few to choose from but considering I applied for more than fifty jobs that's no surprise. In Korea, if you applied for fifty positions you'd definitely be offered fourty of them (at least).
Anyway, I have a few simple questions before I get on the plane (in two weeks).
I'll be coming with about $6000 USD. I'll have to put down money on an apartment and various other things as a startup cost. Let's say this costs me $3000. If I want $3000 to last me for two months (I don't get paid until the end of April), will I have to live very frugally or can I allow myself some travelling? I'll be in Japan and not working for all of March. I want to travel around, mainly in my area and in Tokyo and I want to take a lot of pictures. Is this going to break my back financially?
I'm also not bringing any of my apartment things with me. I'll need to buy a lot of hygenic items, a computer desk and various other things for my place (rice cooker, bedding, shower curtains etc.) What is the cheapest place to buy these sorts of things at?
Another question that I've asked that didn't really get answered. Are training sessions and dispatch-provided temporary accomodations good places to meet other foreigners or will I have to expand beyond that?
Cheers. |
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lenoreelux
Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Posts: 44
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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The last couple of times that I have been to Tokyo, I discovered Tokyu Hands and also there is also IKEA. Both I think have pretty decent pricing for needs items and also deliver.
http://www.tokyu-hands.co.jp/
http://www.ikea.com/jp/en/
You may want to check out Gaijonpot.com also. People sell used items on there all the time. You may find some good deals. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Got a job, visa and a plane ticket... |
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Imseriouslylost wrote: |
I'll be coming with about $6000 USD. I'll have to put down money on an apartment and various other things as a startup cost. Let's say this costs me $3000. If I want $3000 to last me for two months (I don't get paid until the end of April), will I have to live very frugally or can I allow myself some travelling? |
How much is your apartment going to cost? If it's an average of 80,000 yen, then there's half of your $3000.
Utilities may be 10,000-15,000
Phone will be something else. Do you want a cell phone, land line or both?
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I'll be in Japan and not working for all of March. I want to travel around, mainly in my area and in Tokyo and I want to take a lot of pictures. Is this going to break my back financially? |
Will you take digital pics or pay for prints? Traveling, even in the Tokyo area, will cost you, of course.
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I'm also not bringing any of my apartment things with me. I'll need to buy a lot of hygenic items, a computer desk and various other things for my place (rice cooker, bedding, shower curtains etc.) |
May I ask why? Isn't the apartment furnished?
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What is the cheapest place to buy these sorts of things at? |
Secondhand shops, recycle shops, 100-yen shops. Don't know the area of Tokyo where your apartment is. If you tell us, maybe someone in that area can help. Otherwise use iTOWNPAGE to find things.
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Are training sessions and dispatch-provided temporary accomodations good places to meet other foreigners or will I have to expand beyond that? |
If they are training more than just you, I would expect to meet other foreigners.
Don't stress out on this last item. You're going to have your hands full just learning where the office is and where you have to go for work, supermarket, barbershop, etc. |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 409 Location: Chongqing, China
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: |
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http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2362.html
If you want to travel you can keep it bare bones by buying a Juhachi kippu (¥11500) for 5 days of unlimited travel on local trains during all of March and part of April, and staying in guest houses. I haven't stayed in one of those in a long time but I believe they can be around ¥2000 for a space in a communal tatami room or dorm. Capsule hotels I have used have been ¥2500 and ¥3000, and the cheapest business hotels tend to be around ¥5000.
So theoretically, you could squeeze a couple short (2-4 day) trips out of maybe ¥40000-60000. |
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Imseriouslylost
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 123 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Got a job, visa and a plane ticket... |
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Glenski wrote: |
How much is your apartment going to cost? If it's an average of 80,000 yen, then there's half of your $3000. |
My information here says that most Japanese apartments require you to pay my first month's rent in advance, plus insurance, reikin, shikikin and a handling fee to the real estate agent. All this together will be around $3000 by my estimates, though you might have more insights into this.
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Phone will be something else. Do you want a cell phone, land line or both? |
I'm just going to get a cell phone, no land line.
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Will you take digital pics or pay for prints? Traveling, even in the Tokyo area, will cost you, of course. |
All digital. I think the only money spent here will be on cheap food and subway fare.
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May I ask why? Isn't the apartment furnished? |
I'm assuming not? I remember my interviewer telling me that there would be a bed. I can't find any information about it in the paperwork anywhere.
Here and back home apartments are totally unfurnished when you move in. I was under the assumption it'd be the same in Japan...
Also, is the gas range included or am I expected to buy one separately?
Thanks. |
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Inflames
Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 486
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Got a job, visa and a plane ticket... |
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Imseriouslylost wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
How much is your apartment going to cost? If it's an average of 80,000 yen, then there's half of your $3000. |
My information here says that most Japanese apartments require you to pay my first month's rent in advance, plus insurance, reikin, shikikin and a handling fee to the real estate agent. All this together will be around $3000 by my estimates, though you might have more insights into this.
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It all depends where you go. There are tons of apartments (at least in Osaka) that don't require reikin or shikikin. Any reasonable realtor will have a fair number of places like this. It all depends what realtor your company sends you to (and how many people they send there). For my first apartment I paid 3 months rent reikin, insurance, first month's rent, a lock fee, and money for a hosho gaisha and it wasn't 300,000 yen (it was around 280,000 for a 52,000 yen a month place). For my current 72,000 yen a month apartment I had to pay like 420,000 yen to move in (but this is a lot nicer place and I had to come up with 3 months rent for hoshokin and 1 month for reikin).
A gas range is separate, although some apartments will have a single burner built-in. Unfurnished literally means unfurnished, so it won't even have curtains or light fixtures. But what does your company say? It has a bed, so I'd expect there's other stuff as well. What company are you going with? Some companies tend to use the same companies, so you can get a general idea from that.
If you're in Tokyo I'd actually recommend going to Ikea to see what they have. It's quite cheap, especially if they have stuff on sale (not quite 100 yen shop, but it's pretty good for most things). |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Got a job, visa and a plane ticket... |
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Imseriouslylost wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
How much is your apartment going to cost? If it's an average of 80,000 yen, then there's half of your $3000. |
My information here says that most Japanese apartments require you to pay my first month's rent in advance, plus insurance, reikin, shikikin and a handling fee to the real estate agent. All this together will be around $3000 by my estimates, though you might have more insights into this. |
You said you wanted $3000 to last 2 months, not one, so I asked what your monthly rent was. That will be in the second month's payment, after you have made all the other deposits that you listed. Some won't be needed, depending on what the landlord and rental agent want. If you are renting a place that has already been set aside by your employer, those setup fees should not be needed.
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Phone will be something else. Do you want a cell phone, land line or both? |
I'm just going to get a cell phone, no land line. |
Figure around 10,000 for setup costs then, plus 5000-8000 yen/month regular use fees including Internet.
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Will you take digital pics or pay for prints? Traveling, even in the Tokyo area, will cost you, of course. |
All digital. I think the only money spent here will be on cheap food and subway fare. |
And hotels. No real need to mention taking "a lot of pictures" then, but just thought I'd ask.
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May I ask why? Isn't the apartment furnished? |
I'm assuming not? I remember my interviewer telling me that there would be a bed. I can't find any information about it in the paperwork anywhere.
Here and back home apartments are totally unfurnished when you move in. I was under the assumption it'd be the same in Japan...
Also, is the gas range included or am I expected to buy one separately?
Thanks. |
[/quote]I wouldn't move halfway around the world into an apartment I know nothing about. Get it straight what is furnished. As I wrote above, some employers provide/have a place already lined up from a previous teacher, and that means it will be fully furnished. If not for some strange reason, then expect a newly rented apartment to have absolutely nothing in it -- no stove, fridge, washing machine, light fixtures, curtains, kitchen utensils, etc. I strongly urge you to ask what it has! |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 364 Location: Japan
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Imseriouslylost
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 123 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Glenski & ShioriEigoKyoushi:
I'll be working for an ALT company and they have a lot of employees / schools under their jurisdiction. I went digging through the information package they gave me months ago and it said that the apartment might be furnished or might not be. It depends on a lot of things, like whether or not I'm moving to an area where there was an ALT before and whether I choose to get a new apartment or just move into an apartment where the previous ALT left all of their stuff.
Either way, I don't plan on buying all that much stuff. I might not even get a bed. I hear sleeping on the floor Japanese/Korean style is better for you anyway. I should probably get used to that.
Here in Korea I have too much crap as it is. I'm going to end up tossing a lot of it when I leave and I feel bad about that. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:37 am Post subject: |
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It's your life, but if it were me, I'd want to know before landing whether I have a place that needs furnishing or not. You're going to be here in less than 2 weeks, you say. How soon after that do you start work?
I ask because it could be a frantic race to get all the appliances, furnishings, and light fixtures if you are given a totally bare apartment. Your call, though. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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You can ask, but if it's a dispatch company, they simply may not know. Dispatchers are competing for contracts against many other companies in many cases. The BOEs know this, and can therefore wait to the last minute to make important decisions and/or make changes. And some of these changes will affect the new arriving ALTs.
A neighbouring BOE did it just last summer. A dispatch ALT was leaving and we assumed that the new ALT that the company brought in would simply replace them, taking over the same schools and same apartment. But the BOE decided to juggle the schools in each placement and the new ALT then ended up placed at a JET school that had previously only had a JET there part-time which was on the opposite end of town. So the poor newbie had been told that they were moving into a previously occupied apartment, but then ended up having to pay set up costs on a new rental because without a car, it wouldn't have been feasible to stay in the old place.
Its better to assume that you will get a bare apartment with all the moving in costs and be pleasantly surprised than be told that you are getting a previously owned furnished apartment and being caught short when you end up having to pay to move into a new and bare apartment.
And if you are coming over with any half (or possible a quarter) reputable company, then you should have a Japanese speaking helper assigned to you who will help you move in, take you to register for your ARC, help you set up a bank account and mobile and taxi you around to places where you can get any essentials for your apartment. And should you have to acquire larger and more expensive appliances such as a washing machine or fridge; recycle centres are your best friend and they often have a wide arrange of items at dirt cheap prices. |
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southofreality
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 579 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: A little apartment trivia |
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A little off-topic, but it's been said that the practice of demanding reikin (key money) in Kanto while not so much in Kansai was born in the aftermath of a natural disaster. Apparently, after the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923, housing was scarce and apartment owners took bribe money to guarantee priority placement for those willing to pay it. From there, it just became standard practice.
When you find yourself often paying so much for so little here, you can easily start to believe that there's a business culture here that basically looks to fleece consumers because they will invariably pay up. |
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