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KnockoutNed
Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: Thoughts on this job offer |
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This is in Numazu. I am not too concerned about saving money as I have no debts to pay off back home. Please share your thoughts:
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The undersigned, Hosaka English Academy (hereafter referred to as the School) and Teacher�s name hereafter referred to as the Teacher), have agreed to enter into an employment contract on the following specific terms:
1. The Teacher may teach English only with the permission of the School.
2-A. The term of employment begins on and ends .
2-B. If the Teacher wishes to terminate the agreement at a time other than that specified in Article 2, the Teacher should notify the School 3 months in advance.
3-A. The Teacher should work with sincerity and should not engage in any act that may prove detrimental to the honor and reputation of the School.
3-B. The Teacher should abide by the rules and regulations of the School and cooperate with the latter for its development. (See Rules)
3-C. The School will endeavor to create comfortable working condition so that both the School and the Teacher will be able to cooperate for their mutual benefit.
3-D. The Teacher and the School should respect and support each other, and share any small problems not only about teaching but also friendship. The Teacher should try his/her best to teach English and let his/her students experience the pleasure of learning in a relaxed manner.
4-A. Teachers must understand that the workshops and staff meeting are not paid but are
a part of their professional responsibility.
4-B. The Teacher should seek the advice of the School regarding any problems in instructing classes, and the School should provide assistance to the Teacher to resolve the problem.
4-C. If the Teacher loses students or classes because of inadequate teaching or failure to seek assistance for a problem with the class, the School can not guarantee replacement of or compensation for the lost hours.
4-D. If the School is forced to terminate the contract of a Teacher whose performance in class is inadequate, the School will give the Teacher a minimum of one month notice.
5-A. The Teacher will be paid 3,000 yen per hour (2,500 yen for teaching and 500 yen
for preparing). He/she will have about 21 hours per week.
Formula: Actual hours worked in a month x 3,000 yen = salary
The salary will change (from between 200,000 to 280,000 yen) depending on the
length of the month.
The months that include holidays, the teacher will be guaranteed 200,000 yen per
month.
5-B. In case the minimum period of one-year has not expired for any reasons, the School does not need to guarantee Article 5-A.
5-C. Up to 30,000 may be deducted from the final payment of wages as a deposit to cover expenses. After all bills have been paid from this deposit, any reminder will be returned to the Teacher with receipts.
5-D. In case of absence due to illness, the Teacher will not be paid for the missed class and the school will pay for the other teacher who teaches his/her missed class. When the period of absence is more than 8 days and the Teacher is examined by a doctor, the School will pay 60% of the basic salary for the period of absence. A formal notices from the examining doctor will be required.
5-E It is stipulated that the pay-day should be the last day of month.
5-F Mandatory attendance is required: Teachers are expected to attend the following school events: Halloween picnic (on the last Sunday in October), Speech festival (in July).
The Teacher will not be paid by hour but rather a token cash gift will be given for the aforementioned school events.
5-G The teacher has to live in the apartment which is provided by the school.
The room is basically for the single person.
4,000 yen will be deducted from the payment of wages monthly as furniture rental fee.
6. The Teacher agrees that the School shall not be responsible for any accident which may occur during transit if the teacher drives his/her own vehicle and/or is using public transportation such as train, bus or taxi. In the event of accident or injury to the teacher during the term of the contract the school is not responsible financially for any medical expenses, damages, or unpaid bills by the teacher. The school will not act as guarantor of payment.
7. Any separate agreement made between the Teacher and Mr. Teruo Hosaka will only supersede this contract if so specified in such agreement. This agreement has been prepared in duplicate with each party keeping a copy.
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on this job offer |
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It sucks?
Seriously, you'd earn more at Interac. |
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Yawarakaijin
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 504 Location: Middle of Nagano
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Furniture rental fee? Seriously that is an odd one. Most schools offer you a semi-furnished place to help you get settled in. Right there, with that one single clause, I would consider giving them a pass. |
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KnockoutNed
Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yawarakaijin wrote: |
Furniture rental fee? Seriously that is an odd one. Most schools offer you a semi-furnished place to help you get settled in. Right there, with that one single clause, I would consider giving them a pass. |
It means I would basically be paying 4,000 for the entire apartment along with furniture, right?
I think the contract seems alright since I'm only paying 4,000 for rent and not teaching too many hours (about 21 a week / 250,000 yen a month)
Is that about average for Japan? 84 contract hours for 250,000 Yen? |
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mhard1
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 54 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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hey it seems ok but some things are a little ambiguous.
first:
4-A. Teachers must understand that the workshops and staff meeting are not paid but are
a part of their professional responsibility.
you might want to get some clarification on exactly how many hours that would include as extra. Any nonpaid working time is pretty iffy.
Also, I do not completely understand your wage. You are paid by the hour, but you have some sort of range for your salary based on the length of the month? You should get a clear answer as to your take home wages per month. Without this, you will be hard pressed to budget anything.
So far that is all I have to offer. |
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OneJoelFifty
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 463
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Thoughts on this job offer |
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G Cthulhu wrote: |
It sucks?
Seriously, you'd earn more at Interac. |
I don't think that's true at all.
If it's just the money you're talking about, then for an entry-level job and considering the lack of rent, it seems decent to me. |
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Mr_Monkey
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Posts: 661 Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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The teacher has to live in the apartment which is provided by the school. |
Euch. You choose not to live in the flat, you're effectively resigning. They can stick that clause back where they pulled it from. |
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The Hungry Yeti
Joined: 03 Jan 2010 Posts: 25 Location: Spartanburg, SC
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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"5-G The teacher has to live in the apartment which is provided by the school.
The room is basically for the single person."
It seems that you only get a room, and may be sharing the apartment with others. You may want to get this clarified. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Don't take this job.
Underpaid.
Micromanaged.
Illegal clauses in the contract (especially about penalties/deductions).
Sounds like they had some real losers for teachers in the past, and they are trying to control the situation (that, or they are intrinsically poor managers).
There are far better places to work for. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Just because there is no mention of rent in this contract, you shouldn't assume that the place is rent free. Have they actually told you that there is no rent to pay? It's not unusual to have a seperate housing contract aside from the employment contract... you should definately ask and get it in writing if there is no actual rent. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with seklarwia. Unless you have specifically been told so, definitely don't assume the place is rent free. |
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robertokun
Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 199
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: |
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You going to want to pass on this one.
No way there is an apartment provided free of charge.
The 4,000 is going to be your furniture "rental fee" on top of the rent.
It would be fun to see more contracts posted on here. |
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flyer
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 539 Location: Sapporo Japan
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:25 am Post subject: |
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yes, I think you will be paying more than 4000yen for rent etc (??)
but I have seen much worse job conditions |
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OneJoelFifty
Joined: 06 Oct 2009 Posts: 463
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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It's great that a lot of you guys already have experience living and working in Japan, and I've found your advice very helpful. But I was wondering how much that relates to the current market, entry-level jobs in particular. I've seen a fair few job offers for the April 2010 start and this contract doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary in comparison.
Everything I've read, including advice from some of you, suggests there being fewer jobs around than in previous years, for a greater number of applicants. So yes, there are better companies to work for, but surely at some point you just have to take a chance with what's offered. I'm not necessarily saying that this is the job to take that chance with, but it's extremely rare to see anything positive said about entry-level contracts on these forums. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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OneJoelFifty wrote: |
It's great that a lot of you guys already have experience living and working in Japan, and I've found your advice very helpful. But I was wondering how much that relates to the current market, entry-level jobs in particular. I've seen a fair few job offers for the April 2010 start and this contract doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary in comparison. |
Then why do you say this a bit later in this post?
I'm not necessarily saying that this is the job to take that chance with
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Everything I've read, including advice from some of you, suggests there being fewer jobs around than in previous years, for a greater number of applicants. |
Yes.
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So yes, there are better companies to work for |
Yes, and worse, and just as bad.
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but surely at some point you just have to take a chance with what's offered. |
That depends on how desperate you are, how willing you are to take contracts with illegal clauses in them and deal with their respective situations in a foreign land where even though the law is on your side it doesn't always help, and how much pride you have.
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it's extremely rare to see anything positive said about entry-level contracts on these forums. |
Let's try to dispel that a wee bit. Not a grand amount, mind you.
1) There may be no perfect contract or employer, but I would have to say that most are reliable and legitimate places (except dispatch agencies, which are getting a LOT of press lately, so perhaps this is where you are getting the plethora of negativity, well deserved).
2) If one is satisfied to cut corners and forsake a contract clause here and there, by all means come. Employers may try to bully teachers into accepting certain clauses (>1 month to resign, penalties for various things, etc.), but they are illegal, and employers often back down when confronted with the law.
3) People must be more realistic in their outlook on what to expect when they come here. Teacher glut means more competition, so just any old Tom, Dick, and Harry may not get in as easily as before (exceptions will exist, of course). Salaries are falling, so many of us tell people to try holding out for what has been standard for decades (250,000 yen/month). If it's not possible, don't complain on these boards because it won't go far to help.
4) These forums are extremely helpful to newbies and veterans alike, but posters must be sensible and listen to advice. Many don't. Instead, they have their own visions of "what ought to be" or what they wish for and stampede ahead without regard for those who've already weathered the storms and give warnings. I repeat, people on these forums are very helpful, but posters also have to provide more information in the beginning so we know where you are coming from (education, experience, goals career-wise and financially whether short- or long-term).
These may not seem like much in the way of positives, but that's about all you can get when the economy is the way it is. |
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