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[eclectic]

I've been in these situations b4, when it seems someone is insulting you over-the-top obviously and audaciously. Sometimes its my imagination or sometimes it was intended, or even a little of both. Dont know what happened in this thread but dont get so upset. And if you think the post was insulting you can always report it for review to the MODS. Peace.

[kazazt]

MEB requires a degree and a CELTA for lang school type jobs. They require home country state school qualifications for K12 schools. Some private schools employ underqualified `teachers` and put them on the books as something else to get round the MEB requirements. Still what does MEB have to do with anything when those `teachers` are working illegally anyway.

How do you have references from private tutoring?

Shakespeare will not be much use controlling classes of spoilt rich kids.

[keitepai]

OP, I am a little late in joining this discussion and thought twice about posting after reading It is best just to take the information you want and ignore the rest if it upsets you.....generally people on this forum are helpful, sometimes comments can seem harsh when it is not what you want to hear.

I am a teacher at an international K12 school here in Istanbul and as a rule they look specifically for Degrees in Education. While the law may be you can teach with a degree + CELTA/DELTA it is still the schools choice and there are plenty of teachers to choose from right now. I don't have a CELTA or DELTA but a degree in teaching - I have a valid work permit and I am employed on an overseas contract.

If you are married to a Turkish man you may find yourself offered a 'local hire' contract which means less pay and benefits, especially if you are employed while you are living in Turkey. Even if you hold a foreign passport it can still happen. This of course can vary from school to school so I hope it is not a barrier for you I am just warning you. To be hired on a 'foreign hire' with all the benefits it is better to be hired from outside the country.

Yes, there are teachers around employed who are not properly qualified k12 teachers........this is usually a last resort on the schools part if they cannot find someone properly qualified. They usually get replaced.

A point about your son, I assume he has a UK passport as well as a Turkish one? If he only has a Turkish one my understanding is he cannot attend an international school past the age of 6 years.

So, whoever is right about this qualification issue the market is tough right now, UK teachers are plentiful, well trained with relevant experience. It is not worth getting angry about it is just the way it is.

I hope you manage to get a job you like.

[kazazt]

[toyiki]

Sorry was so late in replying - I work long hours at the weekend.

fishmb
Thankyou for your kind advice and for bothering to read my posts accurately- which is what we are al looking for here isn't it- different opinions, not insults...

eclectic
You got me exactly. Maybe it was an off day- but I find that people have Off topics. So whatever ...

English Literature
Is not 4 years of Shakespeare. Although not everyone's cup of tea High schools are using his plays and poetry to teach English. It does certainly help if You can read and understand it.
Apart from Shakespeare it also includes Linguistics,Literary scholarship,Expository writing, survey of English literature (through the ages including Beowulf etc), Cultural encounters, Psychology,American literature, the 16th century, The English novel, Modern Drama, Mythology, Philosophy,The Augustan Age, History of the English Language (old English), Chaucer, History Electives,Literary criticism, Modern English poetry, and a variety of Electives both departmental and From the Education dept etc.
Most of these do come in quite useful with all grades including primary-middle and high school as the children do read books and poetry and learn to write properly around grades 4-5. Right now my students are learning parts of a paragraph (they are in year 6) and they had to read Frankenstein (oxford bookworms level 3) for the winter break- they had a really thick booklet to do and a performance task. Having read Frankenstein at University as one of my departmental electives I was able to tell them about the time it was written, some information about Mary Shelley and her husband and their circle of friends, and we were able to discuss the themes and characters in great detail. That is only one example.
and Kazazt you are right, this is great for tutoring but will it help me control classes of rich spoilt kids?
Also the lat thing you posted really was very informative about the types of degrees etc. Thanks for that. How many posts did you need to post to get to that one point?

keitepai
First of all I want to thankyou for your interesting and helpful post. The trouble is I am really interested in what people have to say, and how they think. And I'm always after different perspectives. I think the main point I was trying to make was that I found the posts insulting and when people answer that with- well if thats what you don't want to hear- No actually It IS what I want to hear, but I do not wish to be insulted or treated in that way.
Being offered a job as a local hire with less pay does not sound degrading to me. I know many teachers with this kind of a contract and they are not earning bad wages.
I did mention that my son ONLY has a UK passport. But the problem here is that no one ever really reads things properly, and I'm not trying to be horrid or anything but that's the reason why I deleted my previous posts. And in my humble opinion It is alright for my son to attend a turkish private high school after he has had a completely English preschool experience. Well who knows, perhaps we might not even be here- depending on my husbands work, but even if we are It is ok for me. The only thing I am worried about is some of the postings about teachers who are hurting their students, and the cheekpinching etc. I think this is more of a teacher situation than a school situation but I will definitly be wanting to find out more about where this is going on.
Another thing that totally shocked me about your post was the fact you said there were a lot of qualified teachers from the UK on the market right now. I was not aware of that fact- which is certainly wonderful for Turkey and the children here, including my son. I don't quite see an indication of anger though, and I'm sorry I cleaned up my messages because I wont be able to prove it, but I find it hilarious, thank you for that.


All in all I think that I must be unable to communicate effectively enough when I read some of the comments which are factually untrue or just what people feel about what I've said.

I'm not upset or distressed or angry because I have an English Literature degree. Im not frustrated because I am inadequate. I'm just a little miffed that my posts were incorrectly interpreted, or perhaps my fault for posting too many details.

Thank you people for your time and thank you for your opinions- which have helped me tremendously.

I do get upset but that is just a part of my being human, we all have our defects, and I do not like being insulted . My skin is too thin obviously.

So take everything how you like,
I take my tea with milk. It used to be a white tea, but there is no beyaz cay in this country, only sultlu

[kazazt]

It is not your degree in literature that is a problem it is your lack of any teaching qualifications and your dearth of relevant experience. You will need a thick skin if you are going to work in one the less well respected private high schools.