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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Have I completely missed the boat? Reply with quote

Chinese New Year is over, nine interviews, and still, no job.

If I didn't have a girlfriend, I'd just give up and leave and go to China.

Unfortunately, I just can't stand the thought of dashing her heart into a million little pieces...

Do I stand ANY chance of getting a job now that CNY is over?

I mean, like, how do my chances stand as compared to before Chinese New Year?

Are they 10x lower?

If so, I'll think of the nicest possible way to let her down and just go.

If you guys still think my chances are comparable to before CNY, say so, but if they aren't, don't get my hopes up. Let's be honest here.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster, have you checked the Kaohsiungliving website for jobs posted there? I saw a lot posted within the last 2 weeks. Wondering if that might be of some help if you haven't already tried them. Other than that I don't know what to say. What are you doing Sunday? Smile I'll buy you a coffee if you are still in Kaohsiung and not busy.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006, well maybe you will get lucky and find one of those jobs in which the teacher failed to return after Chinese New Year's.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

creztor wrote:
Rooster, have you checked the Kaohsiungliving website for jobs posted there? I saw a lot posted within the last 2 weeks. Wondering if that might be of some help if you haven't already tried them. Other than that I don't know what to say. What are you doing Sunday? Smile I'll buy you a coffee if you are still in Kaohsiung and not busy.
Thanks creztor.

Honestly, for the last few weeks, I had just given up and assumed I'd move to China. I was going to give my girlfriend the bad news today and leave in a day or two.

Trouble is, on Valentine's Day, things happened, and now I'd feel awful to just up and leave. It would destroy her...

Therefore, my mind has changed back -- I have gone from "I give up" to "okay, I'll give it five more pointless interviews just to say I tried."
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creztor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck. There should be some more jobs posted this coming week as JZ said. I expect some schools will need to fill spots and since you are already in Taiwan you should have an advantage. Fingers crossed.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe some others can give their two cents but I believe that it is extremely difficult to get hired by another school when you are already under contract and have an ARC from another school.

I believe that many schools will see you as unreliable and they believe that you will end up breaking their contract as well.

I once had an ARC with no job since my agent was running from the law. That was a difficult situation and it was difficult to convince other schools to hire me.

I would get on the phone Sunday and Monday and see what schools need a teacher asap. Go in and teach and maybe they will keep you around. Just my two cents. Just call them and say that you want to come in to teach on Monday or Tuesday.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome, I popped the idea of me living in Guangdong and she visits me once per month and I visit her once per month, and she went for it!

Honestly, since we only date four times a month anyway, things could remain the same...

I fly over to Taiwan for a weekend, we have a date on Saturday and then on Sunday.

She flies over to Hong Kong for a weekend, we have a date on Saturday and a date on Sunday...

The math works out to four days either way. Maybe I should just head on over to China. The extra pay I get there will more than subsidize my monthly trip.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Maybe some others can give their two cents but I believe that it is extremely difficult to get hired by another school when you are already under contract and have an ARC from another school.

I believe that many schools will see you as unreliable and they believe that you will end up breaking their contract as well.

I once had an ARC with no job since my agent was running from the law. That was a difficult situation and it was difficult to convince other schools to hire me.

I would get on the phone Sunday and Monday and see what schools need a teacher asap. Go in and teach and maybe they will keep you around. Just my two cents. Just call them and say that you want to come in to teach on Monday or Tuesday.
That's a good idea, JZer. I'll call around and see what I can find on Monday, but if that fails, at least my girlfriend is willing to consider the Taiwan <-> China relationship. Heck, they're going to be the same country soon, anyway.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:

Trouble is, on Valentine's Day, things happened, and now I'd feel awful to just up and leave. It would destroy her...


Hmmm, not hard to read between those lines Rooster.
Yeah that's tough, but honestly, I'm sure your g/f must know how hard you've been trying to find employment. If not then all she needs to do is check out this forum...

I know I keep asking you the same question but what happened with the one I suggested? Did you follow up with them, ask to interview in person as I suggested?

I can make a phone call on your behalf if you like.
Let me know.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:

The math works out to four days either way. Maybe I should just head on over to China. The extra pay I get there will more than subsidize my monthly trip.


I hate to point out the obvious here Rooster but the 'extra pay' you're talking about here is above and beyond what you're currently making not above what you could be making. I know you've had no luck but there is no way that you will be earning more in China than you could earn here. None whatsoever.

An average wage there is about 5000 RMB and a good one could be from 6000 plus. I've seen some in large cities advertising for 11000 a month but those are usually gone quickly and are few and far between.

Have you got something lined up over there?
You don't want to just show up there and face the same situation, except now have nobody to help you out with the language - Guangdonghua is very different from Putonghua / Mandarin.

Keep looking man - I just can't believe that there are no jobs for you in this entire country...


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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamahuh wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:

The math works out to four days either way. Maybe I should just head on over to China. The extra pay I get there will more than subsidize my monthly trip.


I hate to point out the obvious here Rooster but the 'extra pay' you're talking about here is above and beyond what you're currently making not above what you could be making. I know you've had no luck but there is no way that you will be earning more in China than you could earn here. None whatsoever.

An average wage there is about 5000 RMB and a good one could be from 6000 plus. I've seen some in large cities advertising for 11000 a month but those are usually gone quickly and are few and far between.

Have you got something lined up over there?
You don't want to just show up there and face the same situation, except now have nobody to help you out with the language - Guangdondhua is very different from Putonghua / Mandarin.

Keep looking man - I just can't believe that there are no jobs for you in this entire country...


Anyone who is not lazy and works more than 12 hours a week can easily make 10,000 in China.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this another of your 'educated assumptions' JZ'er?

Because I can tell you this with complete certainty 10000 RMB is an exceptionally good wage in China if you don't have a teachers qualification, and those jobs are hard to find. Take a look at the job boards and see how much people are offering and for how many hours.

I've worked there; you haven't.
Now, I'm not saying I'm completely up to date with the situation but I've a very good friend working in China who has been working for the same company (Bucklands) for 6 years and is making 6500 RMB for 18 - 20 hours a week. That is a decent wage.

Before we left China we were making 6000 RMB for 20 hours and the only reason we accepted that job was because the wage was so good. Not much has changed in the past 3 years.

Your statement is preposterous, misinformed, assumptive and just plain wrong.


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creztor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZ, you could earn 10,000 a month but you will be doing the same hours as you would here in Taiwan (for that I'd expect a 30 hour week or close to it). However, since I've never worked in China I can only go by what I see posted in the job ads. Sure, people say they earn so much doing privates, but privates aren't a sure thing. Most jobs in China will pay, as yama mentioned, 6k - 8k a month but that does include free housing. I do not believe China is the cash cow many want it to be. Damn, I hope I am wrong. Because then Rooster will finally be able to make some decent money there and I'd leave Taiwan in a flash. However, from everything I've seen online I would be no better off in China than in Taiwan.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said that one would get a job for 10,000. I said you could earn 10,000.


The going rate for work in Shanghai, Hangzhou, Guangdong is 150RMB=706NT at the least. Some people pay 200RMB an hour.


I agree that you would definitly earn less if you live in a small town but there are more jobs at equal pay in many cities in China.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. You could earn that much and you could earn that much in Taiwan as well. It sounds like you are putting all your eggs into the teaching privates basket and that is both illegal (yeah, I know Smile ) and it is not stable. I think more importantly is that Rooster needs something stable that can provide him with a source of income above a certain level. Privates definitely don't fit into that category. Perhaps Yama can chime in on the possibility of Rooster earning 10k doing privates + uni job?
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