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Have I completely missed the boat?
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yamahuh wrote:
JZer wrote:


14,000 a month is one university job 12-15 hours a week and 6 hours on Saturday and Sunday.

Anyways, 14,000RMB for 30 hours a week is very reasonable.


It certainly is. Trouble is I'd be very surprised if Rooster could find a job paying that much without an M.A or PhD. University jobs typically don't pay that much more than a regular teaching gig in China, for candidates with average qualifications.



Please stop making broad generalizations based on assumptions and your opinion of 'how the world should be'. Unless it's based in fact or relevant to Rooster's situation, qualifications and preferred work schedule it's useless and misleading.


I have no opinion on how the world should be. I have researched that part time jobs in Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Hangzhou pay 150 an hour or more. Several people on the China forum have quoted these figures as well.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay guys, update:

@yamahuh

Unfortunately, after about two weeks and 4 - 5 calls, I got the following from Putzi:
Quote:
Sorry,we dont need a teacher so far.If we need a teacher,i will contect you right away.


That's out.

@James

Well, you are correct that I can pick up Chinese "outside the system." You are absolutely correct about that, and I have been doing that. I've been studying words with Anki (a spaced repetition program), studying characters (I've mastered a little bit over 1,000) with Mabeop Cheonjamun DS, reading Instant Immersion Chinese, practicing with various biandang vendors on the street, my girlfriend, etc. Although my Chinese has improved, a class just works better. Although I have taught English for a couple of years and know most of the ingredients that go into a language class, much like making your own cheeseburger at home instead of buying it from McDonald's, it sort of works, but McDonald's just does it better, you know what I mean?

@JZer, creztor

If I go to China, I fully expect to make only 5,000 RMB a month in a small town and maybe 6,000 - 8,000 in a larger city for more hours. I know that, and that's okay -- I can live with that for now. I have calculated that 5,000 RMB has about the same savings potential as 35,000 NTD in Taiwan, and 6,000 RMB has about the same savings potential as 40,000 NTD in Taiwan.

@To all

My girlfriend helped me post my credentials on 104.com yesterday, and also showed me one of those secret backdoor Chinese sites that advertises English jobs that Johnny English Teacher isn't likely to see because it's all in Chinese. And I see there is at least one ad on Kaohsiung Living today, so that's good.

I've promised her I'll apply for three jobs per day, otherwise I have to give her 500 NTD. Laughing That'll get me off my lazy @$$.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster, good to hear. Good to see you have realistic expectations about China. 104 isn't too bad and there were a few positions there when I checked a couple of days ago. Maybe your "secret sauce" job website will have some potential in there for you as well. Hope you land a job ASAP, or you'll go broke paying off the girlfriend.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also just applied at a youth hostel that had a help wanted ad, which is situated near the Love River...

I worked at a youth hostel in Korea. Pay was pretty abysmal, but at least the guests had the capacity to be interesting. Especially those Dutch folks. SIZZLING English skills... And various Japanese female tourists, with their continual "SUGOI~~~~~!" I remember when we had a Halloween party, and these Japanese women tried carving a pumpkin without actually having ever carved a pumpkin or knowing anything about it, but the results were good. They tried to make horns on the pumpkin out of cut-out pieces of the pumpkin and anchored them onto the pumpkin using toothpicks. We were skeptical that it would work, but it turned out surprisingly well.

And the year before that, the old lady next door stole our pumpkin and turned it into pumpkin soup.

Not sure what the remuneration is, but if it's 18,000 or more, I could combine that with some tax-free PT work that I have managed to land to add up to 30K.
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scarab1169



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good on you Rooster! I really hope everything works out for you. Holding thumbs and whatever. I do hope your luck will turn. If you come across part time work in the mornings(I would prefer high school/junior high to kindy) pm me. I might be looking for extra work if my new classes don't start next week. I find I can't cover all holes on the 16 hours and high tax and if my new classes don't start there's no way that I'm going to just sit around and hope it will all get better. Don't want to leave my school as it's a really good school, but if I can pick up extra work- that would be sweet.
Anyhow - all the best of luck and let us know how things go!
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarab1169 wrote:
Good on you Rooster! I really hope everything works out for you. Holding thumbs and whatever. I do hope your luck will turn. If you come across part time work in the mornings(I would prefer high school/junior high to kindy) pm me. I might be looking for extra work if my new classes don't start next week. I find I can't cover all holes on the 16 hours and high tax and if my new classes don't start there's no way that I'm going to just sit around and hope it will all get better. Don't want to leave my school as it's a really good school, but if I can pick up extra work- that would be sweet.
Anyhow - all the best of luck and let us know how things go!
Thanks Scarab. If I come across anything that I'm unable to take, I'll let you know (sorry, that probably sounds kind of selfish, but I think you know my position). How about Wednesday nights? Due to a scheduling conflict, I may not be able to take a three-hour gig that was just offered to me on Wednesday nights. Want it?

NOBODY is free on Wednesday nights, though...
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creztor



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds about right, Rooster. Many part-time gigs I see advertised are during hours that most people with a job just can't do. It is either kindy in the mornings or cram school at night. No idea how these places offering just a couple of hours a week expect to find teachers (unless they don't rely on teaching for their income and just want something extra to fill in their spare time). Gotta love Taiwan Smile
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scarab1169



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx for the thought Rooster. I completely understand - you have first go. You have to look after yourself first. Unfortunately the Wed gig won't work. I will have to wait until next week to see if the new classes will start or not before I can scope out anything. But I've got a silly schedule. Now I've got the 5 to 7 slot open on Mondays to Fridays. But Wednesdays and Fridays I work from 1:30 til 4:30. I've a lunch break from 4:30 to 5 and then because I have class at 7 :15 again but no class from 5 to 7 I have to sit around till 7 before I can teach again. My school is out in Nanzi so trying to go anywhere for a class that starts at 5 and being back at 7 again is just plain impossible. In fact if I don't get the classes and look around for extra work, it will almost be impossible for me to do the evening slots because Nanzi is so far out. I would love if I can get a few hours in the mornings at a junior high or something like that. I dread to think of maybe doing a kindy - I'm not a kindy teacher.Well that's my 2c worth. Over and out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creztor wrote:
Sounds about right, Rooster. Many part-time gigs I see advertised are during hours that most people with a job just can't do. It is either kindy in the mornings or cram school at night. No idea how these places offering just a couple of hours a week expect to find teachers (unless they don't rely on teaching for their income and just want something extra to fill in their spare time). Gotta love Taiwan Smile
Yeah, I just saw this ad on Kaohsiung Living:
5:00 PM to 6:00 PM on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays in Pintung City (no, not Pingtung)

Who on EARTH could do that job, seriously?

I'll bet they pay something astronomical like 450 NTD per hour, as well...

Not surprisingly, I didn't apply.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, great for someone wanting to fill up their day but not for anyone who needs an income. They can't even provide an ARC and I bet, as you said, that they are paying bottom dollar. Despite all that negativity, good luck with your job hunt Smile

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Yeah, I just saw this ad on Kaohsiung Living:
5:00 PM to 6:00 PM on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays in Pintung City (no, not Pingtung)

Who on EARTH could do that job, seriously?

I'll bet they pay something astronomical like 450 NTD per hour, as well...

Not surprisingly, I didn't apply.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I have a teaching demo and interview today (#10). It seems as if I have not missed the boat, after all...

I have a theory that my recruiter (who has arranged the last seven interviews) is asking a high price, which is what is losing me these jobs.

This job is NOT one that my recruiter arranged. I found it myself.

Many of the interviewers have liked my demos. However, my theory is that my recruiter might be calling them up later and saying "Rooster gets 550, I get 200 in commissions, so total 750" and that might be pissing them off.

Is that possible?
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creztor



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never used a recruiter. Hopefully someone here with more experience than me can chime in on that. Having that it it does make sense that them getting a teacher via a recruiter is more expensive than them doing it themselves. They normally use recruiters because they can't find teachers on their own, but maybe with things slowing down here they just can justify paying the recruiters "finder's fee", so you could be right, Rooster.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think recruiters make their money - just like Rosster suspected. I would never use a recruiter. They don't always have your well being at heart. Try to find a job on your own rather - you can do so much better without a recruiter.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Ah, I have a teaching demo and interview today (#10). It seems as if I have not missed the boat, after all...

I have a theory that my recruiter (who has arranged the last seven interviews) is asking a high price, which is what is losing me these jobs.

This job is NOT one that my recruiter arranged. I found it myself.

Many of the interviewers have liked my demos. However, my theory is that my recruiter might be calling them up later and saying "Rooster gets 550, I get 200 in commissions, so total 750" and that might be pissing them off.

Is that possible?


I personally do not know your recruiter but there are different types of recruiters. I know two that take a percentage of the first month's wage.

I told you about Asian Consultants. Outside of Taipei they charge the employer a percentage of your first month's salary.

I do know one recruiter who has a sweet deal for herself. She collects all the money herself. I believe 800NT an hour and pays her teachers 600NT an hour. She earns 25 percent on every hour her teachers work. Now that is a sweet deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
Ah, I have a teaching demo and interview today (#10). It seems as if I have not missed the boat, after all...

I have a theory that my recruiter (who has arranged the last seven interviews) is asking a high price, which is what is losing me these jobs.

This job is NOT one that my recruiter arranged. I found it myself.

Many of the interviewers have liked my demos. However, my theory is that my recruiter might be calling them up later and saying "Rooster gets 550, I get 200 in commissions, so total 750" and that might be pissing them off.

Is that possible?


I personally do not know your recruiter but there are different types of recruiters. I know two that take a percentage of the first month's wage.

I told you about Asian Consultants. Outside of Taipei they charge the employer a percentage of your first month's salary.

I do know one recruiter who has a sweet deal for herself. She collects all the money herself. I believe 800NT an hour and pays her teachers 600NT an hour. She earns 25 percent on every hour her teachers work. Now that is a sweet deal.
I had a recruiter in Korea who claimed to be taking a 25% commission off of all my work. Great for her. All she did was introduce jobs, and she got 25% of EVERYTHING I earned.

Then I found out that she was lying about her commission -- my students informed me (and she later admitted) that she was actually making between 40% and 50%!

In other words, I'd go out and teach, and she would (sitting at home) make almost as much money from my lessons as I was! And all she was doing was posting my resume on the Internet!

Needless to say, I quit immediately and then worked directly for some of her students, at a rate that was, for them, a huge decrease, but was an increase for me. Instead of her collecting a 20,000 won commission on a 50,000 won per hour job, I simply took 35,000 directly from the students. Good for me, good for the students, bad for the tapeworm.
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