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coledavis
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Yes. Where I am at the moment, 'native speaker sessions' are conversational classes conducted by Brits/North Americans who are not respected at all. The only thing they have in common is a passport and pale pigmentation (degree generally not included).
This meant that when I came over, expectations weren't high and I was paid appallingly, in spite of my degrees, CELTA and post-qualifying experience. As soon as they realised that I could really teach, however, I received an unelicited 20% pay rise, which indicates, I think, that this ability was not expected.
My pay has now risen from the level of appalling to just lousy. |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| the very fact that I'm looking into a "cheap" cert should be a clear indicator that I'm not just going into ESL to subsidize backpacking |
THis may be where your intent doesn't actually match your reality.
Actually, the cheapie certs are pretty much only good for subsidizing your backpacking.
On part of their market, if you will, is aimed at getting work in places that require a cert, but may be fooled by an online no-value kind of cert. This is what I call the fraudulent use of a cheap online cert- when teachers knowingly use it to dupe naive students and employers.
The other part of their market is aimed at people starting out, convincing them that X amount of hours online will look good on a resume, then helping them find work in places where the cert wasn't necessary. This is what I call the "fool and his/her money" use of a cheap online cert. Cert providers use clever marketing and low prices to dupe newbies into paying for something that has no value.
There is some decent training out there. Some of it is even at distance. But the lowest priced online entry level certs are, without exception, in one of both of the categories above.
Best,
Justin |
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coledavis
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| the very fact that I'm looking into a "cheap" cert should be a clear indicator that I'm not just going into ESL to subsidize backpacking |
THis may be where your intent doesn't actually match your reality.
Actually, the cheapie certs are pretty much only good for subsidizing your backpacking.
On part of their market, if you will, is aimed at getting work in places that require a cert, but may be fooled by an online no-value kind of cert. This is what I call the fraudulent use of a cheap online cert- when teachers knowingly use it to dupe naive students and employers.
The other part of their market is aimed at people starting out, convincing them that X amount of hours online will look good on a resume, then helping them find work in places where the cert wasn't necessary. This is what I call the "fool and his/her money" use of a cheap online cert. Cert providers use clever marketing and low prices to dupe newbies into paying for something that has no value.
There is some decent training out there. Some of it is even at distance. But the lowest priced online entry level certs are, without exception, in one of both of the categories above.
Best,
Justin |
Very well put, Justin, and I thoroughly concur. |
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003
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Location: New York
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| Started at 7 or 8, now a 1 or 2. I think that's pretty run-of-the-mill, though. |
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Ariadne
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
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Jerkstores.. you mentioned that you were far away from the nearest place to get a Celta. Are there any universities any closer? I got my TESOL at a university. It took three quarters and included a supervised practicum. The program could have been completed in less time depending on when certain courses were offered. The university I attended had a fairly large population of foreign students so there were plenty of opportunities for interaction. It's another option for you to consider at least, and it offers a lot more hands on/face to face than the quick on-line courses.
Re volunteering to get some experience... look for other organizations like the Literacy Council, local schools, and even churches.
Good luck to you.
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AjarnIam
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 95
Location: Thailand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| the very fact that I'm looking into a "cheap" cert should be a clear indicator that I'm not just going into ESL to subsidize backpacking |
THis may be where your intent doesn't actually match your reality.
Actually, the cheapie certs are pretty much only good for subsidizing your backpacking.
On part of their market, if you will, is aimed at getting work in places that require a cert, but may be fooled by an online no-value kind of cert. This is what I call the fraudulent use of a cheap online cert- when teachers knowingly use it to dupe naive students and employers.
The other part of their market is aimed at people starting out, convincing them that X amount of hours online will look good on a resume, then helping them find work in places where the cert wasn't necessary. This is what I call the "fool and his/her money" use of a cheap online cert. Cert providers use clever marketing and low prices to dupe newbies into paying for something that has no value.
There is some decent training out there. Some of it is even at distance. But the lowest priced online entry level certs are, without exception, in one of both of the categories above.
Best,
Justin |
I did the 140 hour Tefl way back when....nothing but an expensive grammar review that I could have found from a 2nd hand textbook or numerous free websites. |
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