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nateliu99
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 Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: Cram or International? And how do my qualifications look? |
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I have decent qualifications: a degree in science, teaching credential, masters in ed, and 6 years experience. I'm also an ABC, not sure it matters here or not. I am currently teaching english for a Kid Castle in Shanghai, making about $1500 a month (10,000 rmb)
Is the pay better in Taiwan? For cram schools or for international schools?
How is the job market looking?
What's the best way I go about looking?
Thanks for the advice |
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Cram or International? And how do my qualifications loo |
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| nateliu99 wrote: |
I have decent qualifications: a degree in science, teaching credential, masters in ed, and 6 years experience. I'm also an ABC, not sure it matters here or not. I am currently teaching english for a Kid Castle in Shanghai, making about $1500 a month (10,000 rmb)
Is the pay better in Taiwan? For cram schools or for international schools?
How is the job market looking?
What's the best way I go about looking?
Thanks for the advice |
If you have a valid US state teacher's license, it sounds like you're good to go for PS gigs that are off-limits to almost everybody else, which often include free airfare and accommodation. You are probably in a better position than most of us.
The market sucks for those hunting for buxiban jobs, but the PS jobs are so incredibly picky (nothing less than a state-certified teacher allowed, and no online degrees), I can't imagine that there can be nearly as many people competing for them, and the benefits are good. |
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nateliu99
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for the quick reply rooster,
how do i start searching for those jobs?
I know i cannot find them online, or at least i haven't yet
Any idea how much they could possibly pay also?
Thanks man, you are a big help
Nate |
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creztor
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| What hours are you working now? |
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nateliu99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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creztor,
Monday and Tuesday no work
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday 3 PM - 8 PM
Saturday Sunday 9PM - 6 PM |
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creztor
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| So is that 33 hours a week? As Rooster pointed out your best bet would be to find a public school that is hiring. 10k RMB with free housing (I assume you get free housing), is probably about 60k - 70k in Taiwan. I saw in another thread that you said what you are earning now isn't enough? If this is the case then honestly I doubt you'll be able to make considerably more in Taiwan than you are doing now (unless you work more hours by adding another school or teaching privates, you can do this in China already). The problem right now is finding cram schools that will give you hours like that, so you may need to find two schools (kindy in the morning which is illegal and cram school at night). Public schools will be 8am - 5pm and pay usually 65k - 75k and include some kind of housing subsidy. Where to find them? Hopefully someone can send you a PM (not sure if you can list other sites here). There aren't usually many advertised but there isn't much competition. I think you are in a good position of finding stable work in Taiwan, but you honestly won't be making considerably more than you are now. |
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nateliu99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| creztor wrote: |
| So is that 33 hours a week? As Rooster pointed out your best bet would be to find a public school that is hiring. 10k RMB with free housing (I assume you get free housing), is probably about 60k - 70k in Taiwan. I saw in another thread that you said what you are earning now isn't enough? If this is the case then honestly I doubt you'll be able to make considerably more in Taiwan than you are doing now (unless you work more hours by adding another school or teaching privates, you can do this in China already). The problem right now is finding cram schools that will give you hours like that, so you may need to find two schools (kindy in the morning which is illegal and cram school at night). Public schools will be 8am - 5pm and pay usually 65k - 75k and include some kind of housing subsidy. Where to find them? Hopefully someone can send you a PM (not sure if you can list other sites here). There aren't usually many advertised but there isn't much competition. I think you are in a good position of finding stable work in Taiwan, but you honestly won't be making considerably more than you are now. |
i don't get free housing. One of my friends who worked in taiwan said that I could probably get around 95,000 ntd easy but would have to do that multiple jobs thing you were talking about
10,000 rmb a month is livable, but i want to have more savings. Besides, all the money i invested in my education and credentials and all, i kind of want it to pay off monetarily, it's a shame cuz i love this current job. so stress free
so maybe i should just look up a bunch of taiwan international schools online and then check their websites? I looked at taipei american and it says that they have filled all their vacancies already... if that is true then damn that is quick, it's only february |
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creztor
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| 95,000NT easy? Most public schools will pay you around 65k up to 75k if you are lucky. Cram schools will pay you around 40k - 60k depending on the hours (usually nights and maybe Saturday if you want more money). I guess if you don't mind working 8 - 5pm in a public school and then doing like 7-9pm at nights and or working on weekends, or you could work kindy in the morning, 9 - 12, and then cram school at night, 5 - 9, with some Saturday work. This would put you up in the 90k a month area (before tax which is 18% for the first 6 months, you do get it back though). I honestly don't know how long you could last doing that? Housing here will cost you about 7k - 10k once you include monthly security fees etc. Just general living will be probably another 10k on top of that. I would say at the very least you will spend 20k NT a month for rent and other living costs, probably more. Can I ask why Taiwan? I honestly don't see how moving here could be any better off than where you currently are? Your hours right now are similar to what you'll be doing in Taiwan. Why not use your days off or the free hours on the days you do work to get some privates or another second job teaching in the mornings? It seems that working two jobs here to earn the money you need is already possible in China, no? I've never been to China to work so obviously you know more about this than I do. |
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zipper
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| nateliu99 wrote: |
| creztor wrote: |
| So is that 33 hours a week? As Rooster pointed out your best bet would be to find a public school that is hiring. 10k RMB with free housing (I assume you get free housing), is probably about 60k - 70k in Taiwan. I saw in another thread that you said what you are earning now isn't enough? If this is the case then honestly I doubt you'll be able to make considerably more in Taiwan than you are doing now (unless you work more hours by adding another school or teaching privates, you can do this in China already). The problem right now is finding cram schools that will give you hours like that, so you may need to find two schools (kindy in the morning which is illegal and cram school at night). Public schools will be 8am - 5pm and pay usually 65k - 75k and include some kind of housing subsidy. Where to find them? Hopefully someone can send you a PM (not sure if you can list other sites here). There aren't usually many advertised but there isn't much competition. I think you are in a good position of finding stable work in Taiwan, but you honestly won't be making considerably more than you are now. |
i don't get free housing. One of my friends who worked in taiwan said that I could probably get around 95,000 ntd easy but would have to do that multiple jobs thing you were talking about
10,000 rmb a month is livable, but i want to have more savings. Besides, all the money i invested in my education and credentials and all, i kind of want it to pay off monetarily, it's a shame cuz i love this current job. so stress free
so maybe i should just look up a bunch of taiwan international schools online and then check their websites? I looked at taipei american and it says that they have filled all their vacancies already... if that is true then damn that is quick, it's only february |
Stress free and 10,000 RMB? That's honestly pretty good.
I'd say apply through various Taiwan public school recruiters (isn't one of those Footprints?) but don't give up your current job until you've nailed out a K.A. contract from within China (or in Taiwan on a vacation -- whatever you do, don't quit your job and come over expecting better like I did). Because 10,000 RMB that is also stress-free is paradise in my book.
Nothing under 60,000 NTD would warrant the move from a finacial perspective. |
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nateliu99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 95,000NT easy? Most public schools will pay you around 65k up to 75k if you are lucky. Cram schools will pay you around 40k - 60k depending on the hours (usually nights and maybe Saturday if you want more money). I guess if you don't mind working 8 - 5pm in a public school and then doing like 7-9pm at nights and or working on weekends, or you could work kindy in the morning, 9 - 12, and then cram school at night, 5 - 9, with some Saturday work. This would put you up in the 90k a month area (before tax which is 18% for the first 6 months, you do get it back though). I honestly don't know how long you could last doing that? Housing here will cost you about 7k - 10k once you include monthly security fees etc. Just general living will be probably another 10k on top of that. I would say at the very least you will spend 20k NT a month for rent and other living costs, probably more. Can I ask why Taiwan? I honestly don't see how moving here could be any better off than where you currently are? Your hours right now are similar to what you'll be doing in Taiwan. Why not use your days off or the free hours on the days you do work to get some privates or another second job teaching in the mornings? It seems that working two jobs here to earn the money you need is already possible in China, no? I've never been to China to work so obviously you know more about this than I do. |
Thanks a lot for your answer, I really appreciate the honesty and the tough questions to answer. Why Taiwan? Well, i have been twice before during summers and I really enjoyed it. I think the food is undoubtedly superior to China, and I miss cool local things like night markets. My parents grew up in Taiwan, so I would like to see where they lived. Plus, I am interested in being in place that is close to some great nature-y scenes. Maybe i can find that in China, i don't really know at this point. Also, people have told me the culture and attitude towards foreigners and ABCs is a little better than China. And that while Taiwan can be rude, it is nothing compared to China.
Now how much of that is true, i don't know, plus my friend who worked there for 6 years said that I could easily get 95,000 NT. I'll forward him your opinions and see what he thinks
thanks for your advice |
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creztor
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Nate, probably not good to listen to anyone  Check the job boards and see what is available. This way you can see what they are paying, what hours you'll be doing and then you can get an idea of how likely it is to earn what you want. You definitely won't have a problem getting hired with your credentials. |
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nateliu99
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: ok |
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| creztor wrote: |
| Nate, probably not good to listen to anyone Check the job boards and see what is available. This way you can see what they are paying, what hours you'll be doing and then you can get an idea of how likely it is to earn what you want. You definitely won't have a problem getting hired with your credentials. |
But the jobs being posted here for Taiwan seem to be mostly low paying and geared towards people without degrees or certifications or experience. Some of the higher end jobs don't advertise here, or at least that was my feeling from using this site to find a job in shanghai in the first place.
Maybe I am wrong though, i'll keep looking, yo, and also let me know if you see something i'm missing |
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zipper
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creztor
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nate, you aren't missing anything. zipper pointed out a good job BUT it does say "up to" and I know they'll find some excuse to not pay you that amount. Sorry, just my nature  You are right about the majority of jobs being advertised. They are all entry level. The "good" ones are rarely advertised and I honestly don't know what/where they are. I've asked the same question before about where the good jobs (high pay etc) are in Taiwan and never got a straight answer. I can only assume they are, like most good jobs in other industries, given to friends and those with contacts etc. zipper sums it up perfectly about the rate of pay etc. I can't see any point for a licensed/well qualified teacher to stay in Taiwan for money. I could be wwwrong though  |
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