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Where can I go that can pay me as much as I currently earn?
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runningaway



Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:26 pm    Post subject: Where can I go that can pay me as much as I currently earn? Reply with quote

Please don't hit me with things about "it's not about the money" etc etc. I'm a good teacher interested in travelling. It's just that I need to earn at least as much as I currently do.

I'm a seventh year high school English and History teacher. I have a BA and BEd. I've done a little Deputy Principal relief. However, I'd prefer to be in the classroom.

I teach in Queensland Australia and earn 56 674 AUD a year. I also get very cheap housing as part of the bargain.

Am I going to find something similar, or better, overseas?

TIA
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jdl



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that net or gross? If it is gross the answer is yes if you land a tax free overseas job.
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runningaway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's gross. Still got HECS (uni loan repayment stuff in Aus) and tax to come out.

So, where are these jobs? Very Happy Question
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jdl



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try Oman. Jobs are advertised on Dave's

http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/index.cgi?index
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X-Bar Theory



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Where can I go that can pay me as much as I currently ea Reply with quote

runningaway wrote:

Am I going to find something similar, or better, overseas?

TIA


The Middle East would be one option, but, according to many, your social life would suffer. I've never been there, so I can't speak from experience. Another option is the Hong Kong EDB NET scheme or an International School. As for international schools, as many are aware, you can be paid peanuts or a good amount, depending on the school. The ones in Hong Kong and Japan usually pay well...but, of course, you'd also have to factor in the cost of living and other benefits/perks.

Do you have a preference in terms of location, or is money the only deciding factor, as you have got bills to pay?
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denise



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second the Oman recommendation. I'd look into international schools. I'm not sure where they advertise, but I haven't seen them here or on tefl.com--the jobs advertised are usually regional college jobs (which you could also do, but international schools would be a better fit for you, I'd say).

It's tax-free, and the lifestyle is actually pretty nice.

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runningaway



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact is I've never been overseas and my only understanding of what the different places are like has been constructed by what I've read online. At the moment I'm leaning towards South Korea. However, the reality and my impression of it are two completely different things.
From where I stand, the location isn't important unless the opinion of the majority about a place can provide me with some sort of consensus as to whether or not it's a good place to go... And in the end I might end up having a different opinion to the majority anyway.

So the only thing I can know with any certainty at all is how much I'm going to get paid.

So, yeah..... Money does seem to be a pretty determining factor in my decision making.

I'm not a terribly social person anyway....

But I've heard a bit about these "International Schools". If one would take me and it paid something similar to or better than what I get now, I'd be up for it. Then I'd research the countries and make some choices.

Hopefully this all makes some kind of sense.
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X-Bar Theory



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

runningaway wrote:
From where I stand, the location isn't important unless the opinion of the majority about a place can provide me with some sort of consensus as to whether or not it's a good place to go...So, yeah..... Money does seem to be a pretty determining factor in my decision making.
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Well, not having a specific place in mind does open up more doors for you, being that you're not limiting yourself. It would probably be a good idea to post something in one of the Middle East forums, especially Oman. As for the EDB NET scheme in Hong Kong, you can visit the following link for more information:

http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=262&langno=1

If you're at the very top of the totem pole in their high school scheme, you could make the equivalent of $108,497 AUD per annum. Mind you, this amount includes your base pay plus the special monthly allowance for rent, etc. Once again, this is ONLY if you're at the very, very top...it all depends on your qualifications and experience. Let me explain how I got to that figure--the maximum monthly salary for a high school teacher on the scheme is $48,400 HKD/month. At the moment, the monthly allowance is $14,245, which makes your monthly total $62,645...times that by a rate of 1HKD=0.144328AUD (according to XE) and times that by 12 months. This doesn't even include any other perks you may receive, such as retention and performance bonuses.

Now, of course not everyone on the scheme makes that kind of money, but the potential is there. In a nutshell, making your current salary is not that difficult on that scheme.

As for International schools, try googling some places like Hong Kong, Singapore, the Middle East, etc. to see what comes up. You can also try International School Services at http://www.iss.edu/index.asp . It's always a good idea to contact some of these schools directly, regardless of whether they have posted any jobs or not.

I hope this helps.
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Where can I go that can pay me as much as I currently ea Reply with quote

runningaway wrote:
I've done a little Deputy Principal relief.



Well I hope you get a good reference from him at least Laughing Only kidding Very Happy

I think you would be struggling to get what you're currently earning if you go to South Korea by the way. Although if you got a good uni job in Seoul or Busan paying 3 million krw per month (about 2500 USD) and got quite a few regular private lessons on the go it could be done. Obviously privates arent a guaranteed income however, and they can be erratic.

Mind you, it's not about what you earn, it's what you save. If you were earning 30k USD in Korea then you could easily save half of that, whilst living a comfortable lifestyle, eating out, having a few beers, a bit of travel around the place,etc. You almost always get free accomodation, and Korean taxes are laughably low. How much of your salary do you actually save?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another thing to keep in mind is that it isn't really what you earn, it's what you earn relative to the local cost of living.

It sounds like what you earn is pretty good, where you are now.

It would amount to being stretched, in a city like NYC. (Depending on your family obligations.)

I'd agree that you're unlikely to earn what you're earning now in South Korea. But why is that a problem? Your disposable income would likely be a fair bit more than it is now. I know a number of people with $30K(US) salaries overseas. In some countries, that means barely getting by. In others, it means saving $20K a year!


Best,
Justin
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creztor



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I let him know about the cost of living part via PM Wink I think besides the ME and maybe Brunei, it will be difficult to earn the same dollar for dollar that he is getting now? However, free housing and a MUCH lower cost of living can make a HUGE difference.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any intl schools, try www.tes.co.uk or www.ibo.org
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
another thing to keep in mind is that it isn't really what you earn, it's what you earn relative to the local cost of living.

It sounds like what you earn is pretty good, where you are now.

It would amount to being stretched, in a city like NYC. (Depending on your family obligations.)

I'd agree that you're unlikely to earn what you're earning now in South Korea. But why is that a problem? Your disposable income would likely be a fair bit more than it is now.


Very very true. And you have to look at the perks, for examples
free lunch
free housing
free flights
one month's extra salary when you finish the contract
all your pension back when yoyu leave the country, which can be another months' salary
longer vacations
low taxes
etc.
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BOBBYSUE



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

definitely check out the Brunei site, www.cfbt.org lots of Aussies and Kiwis here...good tax free salary, nice house, pleasant people, good organisation...some challenges in schools but not long hours and generally nice kids. Also much nearer to Oz than the ME - 4.5 hrs to Perth, 8hrs to Brisbane (both direct)
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try international schools. Pick the capital city of your preferred country and then search. They include expats' and diplomats' children and want native speakers of English who are also qualified teachers. Obviously, it depends upon both the country and the school as to what they pay. I have to advise you to avoid TEFL for two reasons: TEFL is the not the same set of methods as teaching English to native speakers and, answering your original query, is very poorly paid.
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