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natsume
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Molson
Joined: 01 May 2009 Posts: 137 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: |
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There seems to be those types of articles all the time. What is scary though is that it could be a larger reality if the job market doesn't improve in NA. |
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sroetem
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: is this sarcasm, or typo? |
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"Japan and China, where parents are gung-ho for English.
�These schools are interested in pronunciation, being able to make conservation, not rules of grammar,� says Dave Sperling, 48, who runs a Web-based business in Los Angeles helping foreign schools and recruiters find teachers."
Only trying to join the conversation. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: |
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�These schools are interested in pronunciation, being able to make conservation, not rules of grammar,� says Dave Sperling...
Yes, folks, that's the word (not conversation) that was written in the article!
WTF?
Aside from that obvious typo, I think the whole article was mostly rubbish, pointing too much at the goodies in Korea, which are NOT the norm in the rest of the world.
I also took offense at the "real job" crack. |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 409 Location: Chongqing, China
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I assume Mr. Sperling wasn't aware that he was putting himself in the hands of a hack "journalist". |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Everything in that article was predictable.
I get annoyed when people come here to the forum and use that "real" jobs bit, but really, if the majority of the folks back home think that what they do (whatever it may be...) is more real that what I do, I really don't care. I had a "real" job for a couple of years before I started teaching, and I hated it. Sat in an office--thank god it wasn't a cubicle--and spent 8 hours on the computer, on the phone, making photocopies, sending faxes... A lifetime of that could really drain a person's soul.
From what I read about what's going on back home--both economically and in people's personal lives--I'm enjoying my life and my job a whole lot more than a lot of people. Let them keep their real jobs.
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I think it may be a good idea to keep in mind that the article is specifically addressing those jobs that require absolutely no training, experience or even a relevant degree- the bottom of the barrel in terms of conversation school jobs. Most of the people who stay on for further 'hitches' (that's the part that irked me the most) go on to get qualifications and are in different kinds of positions than the ones described in the article. And if better private elementary junior and senior high jobs start hiring people like that (as is beginning to happen with dispatch companies in Japan) then you have to start wondering if they really are any better. |
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AjarnIam
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 95 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
Everything in that article was predictable.
I get annoyed when people come here to the forum and use that "real" jobs bit, but really, if the majority of the folks back home think that what they do (whatever it may be...) is more real that what I do, I really don't care. I had a "real" job for a couple of years before I started teaching, and I hated it. Sat in an office--thank god it wasn't a cubicle--and spent 8 hours on the computer, on the phone, making photocopies, sending faxes... A lifetime of that could really drain a person's soul.
From what I read about what's going on back home--both economically and in people's personal lives--I'm enjoying my life and my job a whole lot more than a lot of people. Let them keep their real jobs.
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Nicely stated, and I couldn't agree with you more. After 5 years in Asia, my family and friends back home still keep asking me when my "working holiday" is over. I make exactly 10% of what I made back home, and I can't stop smiling. TEFL is the coolest and most challenging career I have ever had. I only wish I had started it 10 years earlier. |
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johntpartee
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Sat in an office--thank god it wasn't a cubicle--and spent 8 hours on the computer, on the phone, making photocopies, sending faxes... |
You had to bring it all back, didn't you? Except I WAS in a cubicle. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Sat in an office--thank god it wasn't a cubicle--and spent 8 hours on the computer, on the phone, making photocopies, sending faxes... |
You had to bring it all back, didn't you? Except I WAS in a cubicle. |
Oh dear... I'm so sorry!
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gaijinalways
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I never worked in a cubicle, but I certainly worked as much as I do now. I actually make more copies now (I keep trying to keep that down with laminates), but I do like my job a lot more most of the time.
Yes, this 'real' job pays the bills and then some. well actually a lot of jobs in the US require minimal training, so I not even sure conversation school jobs would be that different. |
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Sadebugo
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 524
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Young Americans Flock Overseas... |
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natsume wrote: |
http://www.ajc.com/lifestyle/young-americans-flock-overseas-339408.html
Love the "real job" quip! |
The funniest thing about this article is it's a little late on picking up on the fad. People were going overseas to teach EFL in droves at least since '95 when I began teaching.
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gaijinalways
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:37 am Post subject: |
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People were going overseas to teach EFL in droves at least since '95 when I began teaching. |
I'm not sure it was in droves, but certainly people did come when Japan was booming. The number of foreigners abroad in Asia is still relatively small, but a large contingent does do ESL/EFL. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 878 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: Ha |
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EFL is an alternative lifestyle that's why people knock it. That said, it's a way of life you get stuck in. |
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gaijinalways
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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EFL is an alternative lifestyle that's why people knock it. That said, it's a way of life you get stuck in. |
What is an alternative? I think often people who work in one field for a while might feel stuck in it (as in it being difficult to move to another lucrative career path with a fair amount of training and pay cuts). |
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