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timh



Joined: 20 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:21 pm    Post subject: Advice please Reply with quote

Hi all,
I'm currently in my last year of school and am going to take a year off before studying Mandarin and a few other things at University. The school I attend has a few links with schools in China, one in Ningbo in particular and I'm in the process of arranging to either work there as a teacher or language assistant.

I'm not really that fussed about money but would like to save a little bit if possible and pay for my airfare. How much would be a reasonable amount to ask for considering I have no formal teaching qualifications? I've read a few times that they are legally required to provide accomodation for me, is this true?

Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public school, - secondary/college or even univesity: RMB 4000 a month for 12 to 16 periods a week; housing thrown in for good measure, and airfare, plus a holiday allowance payable in spring;
- private training centres: RMB 5000 or more, usually for a minimum of 20 periods a week;
housing and airfare to be added; fewer holidays, work in antisocial hours and on weekends and holidays;
- kindergarten: up to 20 periods, sometimes 40 periods, each 30 minutes, RMB 7000 plus airfare and housing; paid holidays but not as many as in public schools.
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Gonzo



Joined: 08 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legally the minimum is 2200Y a month, though realistically no-one gets that little. Ningbo wouldn't be a bad place to start. Regional schools and colleges may offer 3000 to 4000 a month for 12 to 14 hours with housing and airfare. Scan www.chinatefl.com to get an idea, as a lot of these places advertise there. The cost of living in regional cities is generally pretty low. Most schools don't negotiate salary very much unless you've been there a while and they really want to hang onto you.
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Rhino



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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Location: frosty cold one...ehr, Canada that is

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAAAAT!!!??? Come to Guangdong province. You wont make less than 7000RMBs. I'm puzzled at people working in this country for less 5000RMBs, and I live in a small town north of Guangzhou.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't take Rhino seriously - this is the post of an impostor. Public schools in Guangdong pay much the same as those elsewhere in the country, full stop.
In point of fact, hourly wages have been eroding over the past two years or so. And if you do get some part-time work, let's call it 'moonlighting', you will have to commute a lot.
Fancy that one-hour-and-a-half cab ride across town, not including the occasional traffic snarl that halts you for another twenty minutes?
Now multiply that with two - as you will have to make a roundtrip.
5 hours on the road, teaching two hours in a school, office or a home, at RMB 150 an hour (if you are lucky to command that much), = 300 RMB in 7 hours.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: ADVICE PLEASE Reply with quote

I originally signed a 12 month Contract at 2,500 per month for 10 hours teaching per week, which I was quite happy with.

I was given an increase a couple of months into the contract and now receive 3,500 yuan per month, which does go a fair way here in China, which is good as I have a lot to buy the Orphans each week.

I am coming back to this School for a second year, but I do not know if they will increase that salary or not. Quite frankly I could not care less as I cannot leave the Orphans even if they DECREASE my salary. It would just make it harder to buy all the Birthday cakes and presents etc.

I have No Degree, No experience and No Qualifications so I was fairly happy with that salary. I would recommend that you try and get around 4,000 yuan per month, but as far as I am concerned, living quarters and how the School treats you are way more important than your wage.

Good luck
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gypsy trader



Joined: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another one...

http://www.expat.or.id/orgs/plusschools.html

this website has lots of contacts for jobs paying heaps more! And some of these schools are looking for teachers and will only take qualified teachers.
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struelle



Joined: 16 May 2003
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Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Advice please Reply with quote

Quote:
I'm not really that fussed about money but would like to save a little bit if possible and pay for my airfare. How much would be a reasonable amount to ask for considering I have no formal teaching qualifications?


I suggest focusing on the hourly rate, in your case 80-100RMB would be reasonable. You can do the math and can get these numbers from Roger's quotes. For most jobs in China, this is the norm.

This kind of hourly pay is, for all intents and purposes, very good money. For Shanghai it's more (I average 120-150), comparable to a professional rate back home.

If the montly salary is low, it's *not* because you're being paid a low rate (see above). The low number of hours, rather, bring down the monthly rate. For some this is a perk as it's laid-back, but others want more hours. If so, moonlighting is an option, but a few points to make:

- Most contracts have a clause stating you can't do this, but this can be negotiated.
- Teaching hours are more than just going to class: there's lesson prep, testing, grading, and assessments.
- It's best NOT to exceed 25 hours in a week, and to take at least 1 day off a week.
- You can assume a 1:1 or even 2:1 ratio of prep to teaching time at first. Later this drops.

Also, Roger is bang on the money about commuting. It will take time and super-patience to do any substantial commutes, even if you speak Chinese and have mastered the road network.

I've got weekend part-time work and I go downtown from the suburbs. Even on a Saturday morning, the traffic is snarled and the cab takes up to an hour to do the 25km. Drivers don't always know the routes, Buses are jammed and move very slowly. I've biked the route on occasion and made better time than the public buses.

Despite the commuting drawbacks, moonlighting is worth it, and in some way, overcoming commute challenges is part of the adventure. But it's something to account for, that's for sure.

Steve
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