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sliderama



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Oman Tourism College Reply with quote

did a search on here, nothing much came up, checked website, lookin for additional info, especially from anyone with direct experience, hearsay also welcome ...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a small place and thus far we haven't had anyone on here who has had experience there. My knowledge is rather limited, but I have a close friend who teaches there and likes it. I know that the person who is managing the EFL department is very professional and knows her stuff.

I would recommend it... though I expect that the money isn't grand. Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the info, will see what the interview brings...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was there for a short time some years ago and I know people who have been there for years. I know others who left at the end of the first contract. There have been several management changes since I left.

The only thing that I can say for certain is that the Dean is a nice guy who is very professional and does his best for his staff.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx SW for the info. I assume it must be European-run as I see from the website that the Dean is from Austria. VS mentioned the salary is not spectacular, any further info on that? Housing included?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The salary comment was merely a generalization about Oman salaries. These small private colleges don't have the money for high salaries, so it will probably be less than the Ministry jobs.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Staff are ministry sponsored - don't know about housing as I was working for a sub-contractor.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So. in the past they didn't direct hire? It seems that they are direct hiring now since it was their ad that ran here, not a recruiter. My friend who works there was direct hired.

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Buffalo Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an interview with this school this week. Does the OP or anyone else have any more up to date info about the school?

Also, I thought it was strange that they didn't get back to me for a month after I sent my application. Is this normal for Oman?
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Neil McBeath



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Oman Tourism College Reply with quote

Buffalo Boy,

A month isn't a particularly long time to wait for a reply.

Remember, among other things, that the Omani weekends are Thursday-Friday.

All I can tell you about the College of Tourism is that it is pretty central by Muscat standards. It is almost directly opposite the International Airport, and tucked away behind the Golden Tulip Hotel that is next to the Oman Exhibition Centre.

I believe that one of my current colleagues worked there, and liked it. She lived in Al Khod, and found that travelling in was no great hassle.
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alter ego



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My knowledge is rather limited, but I have a close friend who teaches there and likes it.


If you have a close friend who teaches there, why not offer some useful and specific information, like teaching hours and conditions, office hours and conditions, housing prices and options, take home pay after expenses, etc? If it's a close friend, this kind of info should be easy to get. Why not offer something tangible for teachers in the trenches looking for solid information from posters who are supposedly "in the know"?

The risks of being labeled a troll or being banned here will keep me from presenting my opinion about the differences between someone who's in the know and someone who's a know it all, so I'll just move on and give you my latest info. from personal experience on this job.

The head of the language department is someone named Marion, at least that's the name listed in the email I received about five weeks ago that said they were interested in interviewing me for a position and asked me to send them a best time to call.

I sent them a reply confirming my location and giving them the times and days I'd be available. On March 9th, I got an email apologizing for the delay in their reply and asking me to confirm an interview date and time. I did this, and also let them know I wouldn't be available to fly to Oman until September 2010, and asked them to confirm that the interview wasn't for the short courses starting in April.

I naively thought I'd been dealing directly with Marion, but of course it was an assistant writing on her behalf. On March 10th, I got this:

About starting work, I guess it won't be before September as the academic year starts in September and usually the new teachers join at that time. It is also because of having the paper work and visa done.

She guesses it won't be before September? Why not take the time to confirm this before my interview? Why not save everyone some time if Marion is looking for short course teachers to start next month?

The rest of the story pretty much answers these questions. On March 13th I got this in an email:

I am very sorry to inform you with regret that we have canceled all interviews for this week due to some internal issues.

Say again? You've canceled all interviews due to internal issues?

The red flags of TEFL torment are now at full mast above this small private college where frequent posters have "friends" who work or worked there and like or liked it, but who seem to guard any solid dope on the place like secrets of some Omani tertiary teacher's club.

Why not spill the beans? If you've got a close friend working there at the moment, why not enlighten us with the real scoop?

Here's my best educated guess:

Marion's assistant is overworked and underpaid. Marion is too busy to properly conduct the tedious interview process. She's buried under too much administrative paperwork and has very little time to actually enjoy her life. Oman Tourism College is in an internal shambles, a sad reflection of the red tape and pompous pride that chokes the life out of so many teachers duped into believing the Middle East is the best place to sweat it out 40 hours a week in the name of "real" teaching.

My advice: stay away from Oman, and the entire ME, whenever you see the red flags of TEFL torment. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this:

I know we said that we will call you on Saturday 13th March, but I am just writing to let you know we have some technical difficulties at the moment with our college external telephone line. They are trying to repair the problem, but we do not know as and when this problem will be resolved. Therefore, if our telephone lines are up and running again after the weekend, please expect a call from us, however if we do not call you within 10 mintues of the allocated time, please assume our telephone lines are still down, and we will contact you again to reschedule another interview time.

Then this:

I am very sorry that we will have to postpone your interview on Saturday due to timetable problems. XXXXXXXXX, the Foundations Coordinator will be in touch with you later on Saturday to rearrange your interview.

And since that nothing.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alter ego, I am sorry that your feelings were hurt and you werent given the proper attention and respect which is due to someone of your special skills and experience. Frankly, I am amazed that the college could find a potential teacher with some experience, a degree and a TESOL qualification - a rare find indeed!

Anyway, no doubt the college is understaffed and it is also likely that Omantel has buggered the lines for a few days ( it happens) but why would you assume the place is in shambles and chaos based on your interaction with one secretary? So, write off Oman and the entire ME ? Probably for the best as you couldn't handle it here anyway - oh the hardships ! It takes a tough breed to make it here.....

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carrottop



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Alter Ego - first and foremost I must ask if you have ever worked in the middle east? It is possible that telephones are cut off here now and again but it can happen anywhere when road works are going on.
Also you should never assume people's responsibilities. What do you know about this part of the world and working conditions and if staff are over worked and underpaid - maybe that's what happens where you are.
I know from my friend, that this college is expanding and is not understaffed as you suggest. I do have a friend who works there and I assure you that it is not in a shambles. It is a small college with very friendly students.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslbear, my experience with OTC never hurt my feelings, but it did leave me feeling disappointed and a bit frustrated. My post was about sharing my experience and venting some of that disappointment and frustration.

I never said I had special skills and experience, but I also know my post was a bit of a rant, so I accept your reply with a tit-for-tat grin, knowing full well that I deserved it. But my post also shared my personal experience, and although cynical it was directly related to the topic.

I also clearly stated that my assumption was an educated guess. So that's all it was, a guess, just as you guessed that I probably couldn't handle it in Oman. My guesses are just as good as yours, aren't they?

And what else do teachers need to handle there? Does handling it in Oman take some sort of special skills and experience, the kind say, that only tough breeds like you possess? And who exactly is a tough breed, and why would anyone want to take pride in being one?

carrottop, it really makes no difference whether I've worked in the Middle East or not. I can assume or guess anything I want, as long as I'm aware it's a guess and not a fact. I don't know that much about that part of the world, but I do a lot of reading and research about the job market in the region, and I also have a few acquaintances who worked or are working there.

Based on my experience and common sense, I think it's safe to say the staff of many colleges and universities in both the ME and here in China are over worked and underpaid. Of course it happens in China, and believing it doesn't happen in the ME or elsewhere is incredibly naive.

And then you go and tell us all you've got a friend working there and assure us it's not in shambles. Would you also care to enlighten us about why several posters on this thread have reported irregularities and delays in their hiring and interview schedules? Shouldn't your friend be able to provide you with some direct details, the kind of inside info many of us on the hiring block are seeking?

We already know it's a small college with friendly students and we also know they're currently looking to hire some new teachers for both April and September starts. Why not give us some new info? Could it possibly be because you don't have any concrete details to offer here? I think your reply sort of proves my point: Anyone trying to shed some light on what's going on at this college is still getting left in the dark.
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