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gallerygirl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:59 pm    Post subject: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

I did get an offer for an ALT position beginning in April, however...the company technically never interviewed me. I am not sure what criteria they chose me on, but I'm not naive enough to think it was my resume or experience alone that did it. I should be seeing red flags with this one, right?

There are other concerns I have - the pay is 240,000/month, which I assume is the normal wage for non JET beginner ALTS. Also, in the contract it says that in addition to teaching, I would be obligated to participate in numerous other activities, such as overseas language trips, club activities and oral language festivals. It didn't specify however if this would fall under the regular working day schedule, or if it would be outside of regular office hours and considered over time.

Sick days and vacation don't kick in until after 6 months of employment.

Also, there is a stipulation in there that I would have to have lunch at the school I'm working at, preferably with the students, and also subscribe to their lunch plan. Is that usual? Because in my mind, a lunch break isn't a lunch break unless I get to do what I want during that time period, and usually that means stepping away from the office and clearing my head.

Any feedback would be appreciated - thanks!
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In many public school ALT positions the lunch time thing is quite common. Many ALTs, especially in elementary school are required to have lunch with the students. But then most of the Japanese staff have to eat with and supervise the students, too.

Under many BOEs students in ES and JHS are required to eat school provided meals which are supposed to be nutritionally balanced. All the teachers in these schools eat these meals in school since they have to lead by example and cannot bring their own lunches in.

So is that part sketchy? A: Not really. But if you don't think you can do this, don't take the job. But be aware that many ALT positions will require this kind of thing and even if you find a job that allows you to leave for lunch, often the lunch hour isn't long enough to go out and get anything decent to eat.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

gallerygirl wrote:
I did get an offer for an ALT position beginning in April, however...the company technically never interviewed me. I am not sure what criteria they chose me on, but I'm not naive enough to think it was my resume or experience alone that did it. I should be seeing red flags with this one, right?
It sounds like you don't have much on your resume to warrant their leaping over any fence to hire you blindly. (no offense) So, if that is the case, then yes, a bit of a red flag.

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There are other concerns I have - the pay is 240,000/month, which I assume is the normal wage for non JET beginner ALTS.
Wages have fallen in the past 4-5 years. What used to be a standard 250,000 is now 220,000 to 250,000. Lower pay might reflect a more rural setting. Where is this job?

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Also, in the contract it says that in addition to teaching, I would be obligated to participate in numerous other activities, such as overseas language trips,
Does that mean you are obligated to go overseas or just to help prep them for their own student trips? I suspect the latter, and in which case it's still teaching, and you should be compensated financially for it. Same for the language festivals.

Since you wrote "It didn't specify however if this would fall under the regular working day schedule, or if it would be outside of regular office hours and considered over time." you have to confirm. If it's not in the contract or written vaguely in the contract, that's not good enough.

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Sick days and vacation don't kick in until after 6 months of employment.
Japan doesn't offer sick days. Your paid vacation days are used for that. The above 6-month deferrment is what is written into the labor laws, so even though some employers give you the days off from day one, they don't have to. Can't argue with that.
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gallerygirl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
In many public school ALT positions the lunch time thing is quite common. Many ALTs, especially in elementary school are required to have lunch with the students. But then most of the Japanese staff have to eat with and supervise the students, too.

Under many BOEs students in ES and JHS are required to eat school provided meals which are supposed to be nutritionally balanced. All the teachers in these schools eat these meals in school since they have to lead by example and cannot bring their own lunches in.

So is that part sketchy? A: Not really. But if you don't think you can do this, don't take the job. But be aware that many ALT positions will require this kind of thing and even if you find a job that allows you to leave for lunch, often the lunch hour isn't long enough to go out and get anything decent to eat.


Thanks so much for that insight, I had no idea that was a commonplace practice. I studied abroad twice in Japan, so I have perspective as a student, but not a worker. It seems a bit crazy to me, unless it's paid, to be required to socialize with students on what is supposed to be a break. Even if I didn't leave school premises, I imagine after a full morning of teaching I'd need a real break with some alone time in order to recharge. This could quite possibly make me rethink things.
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gallerygirl



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

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Wages have fallen in the past 4-5 years. What used to be a standard 250,000 is now 220,000 to 250,000. Lower pay might reflect a more rural setting. Where is this job?


Tochigi prefecture

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The above 6-month deferrment is what is written into the labor laws, so even though some employers give you the days off from day one, they don't have to. Can't argue with that.


Interesting. It never ceases to amaze me that somehow I chose to study the language of the one country that is even more workaholic in its nature than the US. I should have done what my friend did, and studied in France. Month long holidays FTW!
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I ask, is this a private school that you'll be working at? I mean, the 'oral language festivals' and 'overseas language trips' sound quite gung-ho hardcore (and you should perhaps inquire as to how much those possible trips might set you individually - and/or as part of "the group booking"? - back, or are they paid-for/heavily subsidized as part of the work? etc etc). Me, I'd probably try to get out of the language trips certainly! Could crash-land on a desert island and end up the obvious odd-one-out in a Lord of the Flies-type scenario... Smile
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flyer



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

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Sick days and vacation don't kick in until after 6 months of employment.
Japan doesn't offer sick days. Your paid vacation days are used for that. The above 6-month deferrment is what is written into the labor laws, so even though some employers give you the days off from day one, they don't have to. Can't argue with that.


Is that true? as I have sick days and I am definitely in Japan
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure there are some employers out there who offer sick days. Not really standard though.

I'm interested to know if there are countries where employers will give you your paid holiday allocation right from day one, since gallerygirl seems surprised she has to wait 6 months. When I worked in NZ it was exactly the same as here, you didn't get to take any paid holidays until you'd worked for 6 months.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

gallerygirl wrote:
Interesting. It never ceases to amaze me that somehow I chose to study the language of the one country that is even more workaholic in its nature than the US. I should have done what my friend did, and studied in France. Month long holidays FTW!
Well, hindsight is 20/20, but you could have come here to ask about the paid vacation situation first.

flyer wrote:
I have sick days and I am definitely in Japan
I agree with Apsara. You are an exception. Look at the labor laws for confirmation.
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
I'm sure there are some employers out there who offer sick days. Not really standard though.

I'm interested to know if there are countries where employers will give you your paid holiday allocation right from day one, since gallerygirl seems surprised she has to wait 6 months. When I worked in NZ it was exactly the same as here, you didn't get to take any paid holidays until you'd worked for 6 months.


In England if you work full time you get the holiday pay. Days vary depending on the company but by law I think it's 22 a year. I haven't read any labour laws mind so I stand ready to be corrected...
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my case, once, I had to work a full year before I could get any paid vacation days. No sick days, though.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssjup81 wrote:
In my case, once, I had to work a full year before I could get any paid vacation days. No sick days, though.
Illegal, I might add, but you know that by now.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: Is this sketchy? Reply with quote

gallerygirl wrote:

Interesting. It never ceases to amaze me that somehow I chose to study the language of the one country that is even more workaholic in its nature than the US. I should have done what my friend did, and studied in France. Month long holidays FTW!


Having an outside perspective of both countries, I would say you have it backwards. Japan has far more down time built into the system than the US does. Japan, after all, actual mandates holidays and vacations. The US doesn't. Moreover, being able to play the gaijin card in Japan at strategic moments means you can usually actually use those holidays and vacations. In contrast, I've met quite a few people in the US that simply don't get holidays or vacations. Ever.

On topic, I'd agree with most others; the contract sounds fairly typical for dispatch monkey work. Tochigi fair blows goats, btw. Smile Good luck!
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Bread



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ALT dispatch contract was almost 7 months and didn't have any vacation days, are they required by law to give me some number of them after 6 months? If I don't take them, are they required to give me the daily value of them on my last paycheck?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread,
From the labor laws:
(Annual Paid Leave)
Article 39. An employer shall grant annual paid leave
of 10 working days, either consecutive or divided into
portions, to workers who have been employed continuously
for 6 months calculated from the day of their being hired
and who have reported for work on at least 80 percent of the
total working days.

http://www.jil.go.jp/english/laborinfo/library/documents/llj_law1-rev.pdf
Read the whole Article, though, ok? Some situations may yield different results.

Don't expect to get paid for the days you don't take, though.
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