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Tips for finding a job that will sponsor a work visa
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rawlings



Joined: 03 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject: Tips for finding a job that will sponsor a work visa Reply with quote

Hello, I just moved to Japan, and am setting up shop to look for ESL jobs. I've gone over my credentials and documentation in other topics, so I am not worried about that, I am just concerned about finding a job that will sponsor my work visa. I am really determined to find a job in Osaka-shi, and I have enough money to last about 2 months. Any advice, or any schools you could recommend, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you've gone over your credentials and stuff, but we don't know anything about them, nor do we know what sort of teaching job you're interested in. Help us help you.

You're also asking a huge question here. What specifically do you wish to know?
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mhard1



Joined: 09 Dec 2009
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

start shotgunning now.

sources to consider for possible employers:

1) ohayoo sensei
2) gaijin pot
3) Daves ESL cafe Job Boards
4) Word of mouth from within Japan

Plan of attack:

Step one - create a great cover letter and resume package. This should include a photo of you (obviously in a suit) a nice little introduction to who you are and basically sell yourself to the company in your cover letter. Why should they hire you, what do you have to offer.

Step two - shoot that package out to as many possible employers from the potential employers list, plus whoever else you can find to shoot it out to. Just make sure you change the employer name on your cover letter Laughing

Step three - wait like two weeks. After you make that big splash in the pond, you have to wait for the water to settle a little. The ducks will come looking as to what is that magnificient foreign creature that has just entered their water.

Step four - make yourself completely available for any interview. At the interview, wear a suit (obviously) that is completely normal...like black on black with white shirt and normal tie.

Step five - become the greatest actor that you can be for that interview. have your politician smile, your two cups of coffee energy, and your I love teaching, working, making you money, and Japan attitude out in full force.

Step six - Rolling Eyes if you don`t the job after step five I have nothing!

good luck!!
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maximmm



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another alternative-- find a Japanese chick and get married to her.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mhard1 wrote:
start shotgunning now.
Only to employers who are hiring.

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Step two - shoot that package out to as many possible employers from the potential employers list, plus whoever else you can find to shoot it out to. Just make sure you change the employer name on your cover letter Laughing
Even with the LOL, are you serious? I strongly suggest customizing every cover letter. Employers can smell a form letter. I have seen my share. One bozo even applied to a Hokkaido position from Tokyo and forgot to change a lot of info, including his willingness to commute!!!
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mhard1



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
mhard1 wrote:
start shotgunning now.
Only to employers who are hiring.

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Step two - shoot that package out to as many possible employers from the potential employers list, plus whoever else you can find to shoot it out to. Just make sure you change the employer name on your cover letter Laughing
Even with the LOL, are you serious? I strongly suggest customizing every cover letter. Employers can smell a form letter. I have seen my share. One bozo even applied to a Hokkaido position from Tokyo and forgot to change a lot of info, including his willingness to commute!!!


haha yes I am serious! Of course you should take some of what I say with a grain of salt, but the main point I am making is to acknowledge it is a numbers game trying to get a position, and work with that strategy. Maybe for some better positions the custom letters are better, but for the basic ones I have found the form to work magic in a short time frame.
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rawlings



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your replies. I'll go over my situation and credentials briefly:

I am 23 years old, American, and I have a B.A. in English. Despite my youth, I have a solid resume as an educator; I've taught children and adults in America in both classroom and private settings, in all levels of English. I've taught ESL for one year in Thailand, in an international school, to 4th graders. And I also have extensive experience teaching science, mathematics, music, guitar, and college entrance exams. I have letters of recommendation from all of my teaching positions, and I have every document an employer could ever ask for at hand... except, of course, for a working visa!

I have a very nice and clean resume, and a stock cover letter that I make slight changes to in order to personalize them a bit for the employer. Just to be safe, I have had both my resume and CV checked by a colleague who used to work in helping people develop resumes. I also have charisma on my side, and I am very confident that if I were given a chance for an interview, I could impress them and win them over. I have a new suit, nice clothes, and a clean haircut.

I've sent out my initial e-mails to as many employers as I could find, but the returns have not been hopeful. I sent e-mails out about 10 days ago, and the only 2 responses I've got have been this: "sounds great, just one question: do you have a working visa?" I tell them I don't, but I am willing to start work immediately while the process is underway, and they have both declined. I am still optimistic, but feeling a little helpless. I've only been in osaka for a day or two, and have enough money to last 2 months without a job.

That is my current situation. I'm here, in osaka, and I know this is where I want to be. I don't want to go through one of the major hiring companies, because they will put me outside the city. Any further advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
John
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maximmm



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rawlings wrote:
Thank you all for your replies. I'll go over my situation and crede
That is my current situation. I'm here, in osaka, and I know this is where I want to be. I don't want to go through one of the major hiring companies, because they will put me outside the city. Any further advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
John


This is obviously a question for Glenski, since in his universe there are tons and tons of jobs available and not enough teachers applying. Glenski also has many connections with employers willing and wanting to sponsor people on tourist visa. Let us only hope that ohayousensei is not the sole source of information that he goes by. Glenski, we're all waiting for your words of wisdom.
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Ryu Hayabusa



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is obviously a question for Glenski, since in his universe there are tons and tons of jobs available and not enough teachers applying. Glenski also has many connections with employers willing and wanting to sponsor people on tourist visa. Let us only hope that ohayousensei is not the sole source of information that he goes by. Glenski, we're all waiting for your words of wisdom.


Is this really necessary? His information is generally of great help.
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maximmm



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu Hayabusa wrote:
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This is obviously a question for Glenski, since in his universe there are tons and tons of jobs available and not enough teachers applying. Glenski also has many connections with employers willing and wanting to sponsor people on tourist visa. Let us only hope that ohayousensei is not the sole source of information that he goes by. Glenski, we're all waiting for your words of wisdom.


Is this really necessary? His information is generally of great help.


I agree that his information is generally of great help.
It's his state of denial in regards to the job market that I am questioning.

While a lot of the information he provides is extremely helpful, saying that jobs are plenty all around and finding an employer that would sponsor newcomers is easy for those that arrive in Japan is actually of great detriment. It is only due to such overly optimistic and misleading depiction of the current job market in Japan that many people will find themselves in a similar predicament that Rowling finds her/himself in at this point.

Reality check is of greater benefit to people that want to come here on a tourist visa to scout for a job.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maximmm wrote:

It's his state of denial in regards to the job market that I am questioning.



Where have you got this idea from? Glenski is usually the first to point out that the job market is flooded- in fact that is probably his favourite phrase- and he has been criticised here before for being "pessimistic" and always trotting out that phrase by people who don't want to believe that the job market is, in fact, flooded. I don't see anything on this thread which suggests he is being overly optimistic- what posts of his are you referring to?
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

None - Maximmm is just plain wrong in this instance.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rawlings wrote:
I am 23 years old, American, and I have a B.A. in English. Despite my youth, I have a solid resume as an educator; I've taught children and adults in America in both classroom and private settings, in all levels of English. I've taught ESL for one year in Thailand, in an international school, to 4th graders. And I also have extensive experience teaching science, mathematics, music, guitar, and college entrance exams.
Despite the above, being 23 makes one suspicious about just what you call "solid" and "extensive". No offense intended here, but at 23 you are just barely out of college. With that single point in mind and the fact that you've only pointed out a year of teaching experience, my advice is pretty much the same as always.


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I have a very nice and clean resume, and a stock cover letter that I make slight changes to in order to personalize them a bit for the employer.
Don't personalize them "a bit". Do it 100% for each prospective employer. You may have better luck.

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Just to be safe, I have had both my resume and CV checked by a colleague who used to work in helping people develop resumes.
CV? Do you mean CL (cover letter)? I've done that for scores of people, too, by the way, just in case you're interested in a second opinion.

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I've sent out my initial e-mails to as many employers as I could find, but the returns have not been hopeful.

I sent e-mails out about 10 days ago,
You're too impatient. Ten days is hardly enough time. And, were those sent to places that were advertising (better approach, especially if you mention the ad and specific job in the CL), or did you just get a name and shotgun (weak to bad approach)?

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and the only 2 responses I've got have been this: "sounds great, just one question: do you have a working visa?"
How many places did you send to? Of those, how many were advertising, and how many required a visa (written in the ad)? I'm not trying to be harsh here, just getting a clearer picture of the numbers you face and how you're dealing with them.

And, since they've had to ask about a visa, that means you didn't write anything about it on your resume or in the CL. If I had proofread your materials, that would be among the first things I'd have recommended, FYI.

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I tell them I don't, but I am willing to start work immediately while the process is underway, and they have both declined. ...I am still optimistic, but feeling a little helpless. I've only been in osaka for a day or two, and have enough money to last 2 months without a job.
So, you sent out letters 10 days ago and arrived 2 days ago, right? In your CL, did you tell employers when you were coming here, so that they would know you'd actually be available for an interview?

I'm here, in osaka, and I know this is where I want to be. I don't want to go through one of the major hiring companies, because they will put me outside the city. Any further advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated![/quote]Is there some seriously important reason to be placed in Osaka? You already know the market is full, and teachers need to be flexible in terms of locations (among other things) if they want to be considered. Limiting your base of operations to one city is, well, limiting your chances at getting work.

Until more info comes to light, I'd have to say send out a lot of resumes every day to any place that is advertising and that looks good. Despite what you think about having a "solid resume" and lots of experience, I can guarantee you that most employers won't see it that way, and even in a market where you have taken a good step by showing up, they may wonder (depending on how you worded the CL) just what you are talking about.
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anthonyteo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm planning on going down to Japan to look for a job as well, and I understand it's not easy, from your posts. Still, I believe it beats overseas hiring, which I know happens even more rarely. One practical question I have though: anyone knows more advertising channels to recommend? I check Gaijinpot and Jobsinjapan regularly, and am waiting for the next Ohayosensei issue, but realizes 90% of them are looking for those residing in Japan with valid visa. As such, I think people like rawlings and me would need to know more channels to increase our chances of being hired by one that sponsors visa!

Oh, and one more thing: I think it may be a better approach to (if poss) secure a few interviews first before flying to Japan, what's your opinions?
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anthonyteo wrote:
Hi all,

I'm planning on going down to Japan to look for a job as well, and I understand it's not easy, from your posts. Still, I believe it beats overseas hiring, which I know happens even more rarely. One practical question I have though: anyone knows more advertising channels to recommend? I check Gaijinpot and Jobsinjapan regularly, and am waiting for the next Ohayosensei issue, but realizes 90% of them are looking for those residing in Japan with valid visa. As such, I think people like rawlings and me would need to know more channels to increase our chances of being hired by one that sponsors visa!

Oh, and one more thing: I think it may be a better approach to (if poss) secure a few interviews first before flying to Japan, what's your opinions?


When exactly did you start seriously looking for jobs? I think the real reason many people are unable to find employers willing to sponser visas is because they are looking at the wrong time. The COE process can take upto 2 months so it makes sense that come mid-March, the majority of April starting jobs are going to be aimed at people already holding visas. The big overseas recruiters do a large part of their interviewing and hiring Dec-late Jan/early Feb in order to have sufficient time to get COEs processed (and in the case of dispatch jobs - to sell new recruits to BOEs).
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