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Potential Job, no offer but how does this rank?

 
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AdamLorts



Joined: 19 Mar 2010
Posts: 7
Location: Portland, OR

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Potential Job, no offer but how does this rank? Reply with quote

Hey,

So I had a Skype interview with a head member of Time2Talk English in Thailand, and I really liked him and everything we talked about made me not only excited about Thailand but also his teaching opportunities. I made a post earlier and people mentioned low wages at this school but I got to talk contract things so here's what I got from it-
note: This is not in contract form, I have not seen anything official yet. I really got a good vibe from him and there is a lot of openings to fill so that's why I'm acting assumptive.

First my mini-CV

-Bachelors Degree (non-teaching)
-Teaching Exp.
~6wk Summer Camp w/ High Schoolers
~6mo Volunteer with First Graders
~1yr Private tutor for college athletes in college
-NO TEFL CERTIFICATE OF ANY KIND

Some business experience, have lived in Europe before and i'm a 24 y.o. white male.

and his contract from the things i gathered -

-NO Airfare
-'Help' with Visa
-730-400pm required on-campus hours
-20hrs/week teaching, other hours are relaxed office hours
-High School, Private and/or Public (I stressed high school/private is best for me and he said it's wide open).
-Salay, 30k baht/month
-Rent stipend 3k baht/month

Here are the locations we talked about sorry if i butcher the names
-Nacon si Thammarat
-Chaya
-Surrathani
-Sawi

My questions are is this a good deal for me? I really liked the headmaster, he stressed that these were rural areas that I would be in. This means lower COL, but he said "you should enjoy the company of yourself during the week" I personally think I can be a really outgoing friendly guy and usually my thought is if you are the only foreigner in the whole town you usually come to almost celebrity status. Thailand also seems like if you have a scooter you can go somewhere awesome in an hour. Someone straighten out my noobness or I'm packing my bags. lol.
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Gypsy King



Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really wish to teach in Thailand for the experience and not the money than this job would be fine. Good luck! Smile
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AdamLorts



Joined: 19 Mar 2010
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Location: Portland, OR

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gypsy King wrote:
If you really wish to teach in Thailand for the experience and not the money than this job would be fine. Good luck! Smile


Gypsy,

I'm looking at my first offer here, that's why i'm hesitant to like it. I understand what you're saying about teaching for the experience aside from money; I would ask you if someone like me could get a job in which I can have both.
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kingmalka



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 133
Location: San Diego - Hong Kong

PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate that you're required to be on campus for so many hours a day. It's basically a 40 hour job for 1000$/month in some cities I've never heard of before. Even though you only have 20 actual teaching hours, you're going to be spending a lot of time at the office with nothing to do, and for all you know it could be a sh*tty office with not many computers and/or good Internet.

This is basically the bottom of the barrel as far as job offers go. Now that you understand what the lower end of the spectrum is, you'll be able to judge other job offers a bit better. I'd highly recommend you continue contacting recruitment agencies and schools to see what other offers you can get. I promise you that whatever this guy says, these jobs will always be there Smile

Also, some recruiters/schools have a simple equation where they will add a certain amount of money to your wage if you have a TESL, certain amount if you have a masters, phD, 2 years of experience, etc. It might be worth it to just say you have a TESL degree and go pay 200$ to get one online.
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Gypsy King



Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a 40 hour required work week including 20 + teaching hours with poor pay etc. Thais want you to be like a slave to their school. You will literally be stuck in an office surrounded by mostly Thai teachers who will gossip about you, talk down to you and treat you like a child. Office poliitcs Thai style is to slowly but surely make you as a farang feel inferior to them. Thais love to hold grudges and not speak to a farang in an office. If any one Thai teacher or administrator doesn't like you for anyreason (mostly personal) they will conspire to get rid of you in the office and/or school. The truth is that as a farang ESL teacher at a Thai government or private school you are disposable abd replaceable at any time. TIT! Smile
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MaiPenRai



Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 390
Location: BKK

PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You will literally be stuck in an office surrounded by mostly Thai teachers who will gossip about you, talk down to you and treat you like a child. Office poliitcs Thai style is to slowly but surely make you as a farang feel inferior to them. Thais love to hold grudges and not speak to a farang in an office. If any one Thai teacher or administrator doesn't like you for anyreason (mostly personal) they will conspire to get rid of you in the office and/or school.


Slow it down there GK. Just because you or other people you know have had bad experiences DOES NOT mean that ALL Thais and ALL thai schools are the same.

I have personally worked in more than 5 Thai government schools and worked with, been in, observed, trained in, hundreds of Thai schools. Its very true that some have horrible old rude Thai teachers working there who, as you say, gossip about the farangs. I have NOT met any teachers who have talked down to people or treated them like a child. I HAVE seen experienced (good or not) older teachers try to guide young, inexperienced and uneducated foreigners to do the job that is expected of them in the school. Cant blame them for that. Lets be honest. There are just as many crappy foreign teachers out there as mean ol hag Thai teachers.

A 40 hour work week is common in a government school. EVer seen the hours that a teacher has to put in in their first year back in a western country. Many more than 40, trust me. Those office hours should be spent planning and prepping for lessons. There should be no reason you should "have nothing to do". Practise your Thai, walk around the school and chat with students in the halls or courtyard, make some "friends" with some Thai teachers (YES THIS IS POSSIBLE), and make great lessons for *$&@ sake.

THe reaso that the salary is so low is because the jobs that this agency offer are NEAR major tourist islands. That is the ONLY reason that I would consider working for that contract. That being said, the OP does not have a loaded resume of anything. As the schools are mostly in rural areas, the salary will more than enough to have a decent life, but dont expect to save much. Be sure to have a couple Thousand in the bank and/or a return ticket.

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"It might be worth it to just say you have a TESL degree and go pay 200$ to get one online."


Sorry, but this is horrible advice. An online TEFL CERTIFICATE (not degree) is worthless in most cases and will not be accepted by many employers. If anyone is really interested in teachers EFL, they should do a proper TEFL certificate (120 hours onsite training + 6 hours of observed teaching practice). Dont have the time or money right now, go and buy Jeremy Harmer's "How to teach english" or Jim Scrivener's "Learning Teaching" and hit the internet hard. Plenty of info out there to get you through a year in a THai government school.

Again, this agency does not have a great offer, BUT the big draw for them is that they are offering positions in areas NEAR BIG TOURIST ISLANDS.

Quote:
"in some cities I've never heard of before."


Come on, really. Surat Thani and Nakhon Si THam are major port cities in the south. OP, Surat is probably the best and biggest of the cities you mentioned. MAKE SURE to ASK if the schools are actually i the city of Surat or Nakhon Si Tham and not in a rural village that is near the city.

Best of luck OP. THis is an OK job for your first time teaching and with your resume. You will be able to hit the beaches on weekends and holidays which is always cool. Make sure they will pay for and organize your work permit.
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rostovru



Joined: 19 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: It's a decent offer Reply with quote

The salary is ok, and Time 2 Talk is decent.

I would say it's a good offer, and if you find something better once you're there, you can jump for it.

You're not going to have any problems. They say you should be there between those hours, but if you just play it by ear, you'll probably have quite a bit of free time that you won't need to be there.

That part of Thailand is beautiful.

I taught in Chumphon and never had a regret. You'll love your time there, and contrary to what people have said, 30k will be plenty to live on in those cities. You'll probably be able to go out for drinks whenever you want and save 8-10k baht a month.
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MaiPenRai



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Location: BKK

PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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contrary to what people have said, 30k will be plenty to live on in those cities


Agreed, thanks again for an honest and realistic answer. OK salary and good location for a new teacher to Thailand.
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kingmalka



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Location: San Diego - Hong Kong

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, update!?
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NigerianWhisper



Joined: 21 Mar 2009
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with MaiPenRai and Rostrovu on this one.

Geeeeez, no idea where Gypsy King has been working but his account is certainly not my experience. Not saying it does not happen but I think its unusual.

Schools I previously worked at were very good and the Thai teachers were generally very helpful.

As the above posters have said..........that salary should be fine in those areas.
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