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razorhideki · Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 78

Can't say I'm crazy about the OP's internet moniker or his appalling lack of grammatical/spelling "skills" but....

This thread is, or should be, instructive to the 2 or 3 newbie jokers who come to this forum every week to tell all & sundry how Japan will be peaches & cream to THEM(because they're "special" or "unique" or whatever) and how naysayers are "negative nellies" because, no matter how much insight the vets have into the current EFL market in Japan, the new crop will "prosper."

Lesson # 182: Yet again, 95% of non-JET jobs are pure crapola. Why do newbies reject this observation in the face of overwhelming evidence?

Shiggy: Please get back to us in 6 months time.

cvmurrieta · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 209 Location: Sendai, Japan

Gaijinheadpothead · Joined: 08 Sep 2009 Posts: 27

razorhideki · Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 78

Come now, cvmurrieta, how can your temp agency gig be better than JET??!!

Details, mate, or the BS call/alert will be on high radar systems beeping!!!!

robertokun · Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 199

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP . . . . . . . .

seklarwia · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:25 am Post subject:

Razor,

If you talked holidays with some you'd have an example. With some JETs are spending substantial amounts of the breaks twiddling their thumbs in an empty office or taking part in other community events whilst their dispatch counter-parts are enjoying the sights and smells of J-land. So, it would be darn unfair if they were receiving holiday pay. - btw, ever spoken to UK TAs about pro rata/ holiday pay, reimbursed travel, etc? Many wouldn't see the terms of dispatch employment to be such crapola as you describe.

And crap schools are crap schools, not even 5man extra/month can change that.

Although it is not debateable that JETs are getting much better terms of employment, the actual conditions at their placements are not always as rosy as you make out and many JETs leave their placements after only a year with a bitter taste in their mouth and a new dislike of Japan.

razorhideki · Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 78

seklarwia: we've debated the whole JET thing before and you've often conceded that JET is far more often the better deal(as you did in your last post) when compared to SDCs. Now, as then, you go on to say that many NTs prefer non-JET gigs to JET ones(a dubious claim)!? Confused

Very contradictory.

Given that JET has c.7000 members serving at a given time, isn't it remarkable how few of them come to this forum to say what a lousy gig it is? When was the last time a JET came to Dave's and said "JET sucks...I wish I had a dispatch co./eikaiwa gig instead!"

The VERY few JETs I knew who complained about the programme tended to be young, inexperienced(in life), imbued with a socialistic sense of entitlement and devoid of real life/work experience.

Glenski · Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

razorhideki · Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 78

There was at least one year when the no. of JETs approached 7000.

If the numbers are falling, it's because of the numbers of teachers(if I may use the term) who are willing to accept crapola dispatch contracts.

Whether Dave's or Big Daikon, I defy any poster to provide a thread link from, say, the last decade, where a serving JET wishes he/she could give up his/her gig to take a dispatch/eikaiwa one.

I also defy any poster to provide a past thread link where an OP, as a JET, claims he/she was treated as was the OP here.

seklarwia · Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:50 am Post subject:

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cvmurrieta · Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 209 Location: Sendai, Japan

http://www.cirhomepage.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2707&start=0

Razor: First I did not say that all JET positions are bad. I would concur that the overwhelming majority of ALT positions are good. They set you up in a low-cost apartment (many times), they pay for your airfare to and from Japan, they pay for your hotel fees when you have conferences in Tokyo, etc. I, however, was not an ALT. I have provided a link to some of the issues I faced when I worked for the Miyagi Prefectural Government as a CIR last year.

seklarwia: I can say for sure that I won't be touting the CIR aspect of the JET Program when I go home (in reference to your statement about how some JET ALTs leave Japan with a new dislike for the Japan). However, I have already recommended the ALT part of the JET Program to a friend's son back in the US.

Incidentally, the BoE I work for through the temp agency brought in JETs until July 2008, the same time I joined the Miyagi Prefectural Government as a CIR.

When I needed help from my CO or the CIR PA, I found they were otherwise "preoccupied".

So, razor, if you have a decent CO, enjoy it! I just wish I had know how bad mine would have been so that I could have made the change to ALT in December 2008.