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teechar



Joined: 24 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reflections from women Reply with quote

Hi all,

I get the impression that the majority of the posters here are men.

I would like some feedback from women teaching in the Middle East.

I know this is really a general query, but any advice about the application process, interviewing and working would be appreciated. Do you think it is more difficult for a woman to get a job? Is she paid less? These are a couple of curiosities that have arisen reading over posts here.

Feel free to PM me as well. I would like to "get to know" women who are teaching or have taught in the ME.


Thanks,

Teechar
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helenl



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salary discrimination is usually based on passport or ethnicity in the tertiary education system. Western/European/Australians generally are paid better than their Indian/Pakistani/Philippino and other than GCC Arab counterparts.

The application/interview process are the same for everyone. As for working here, you do what you signed on for (and at some places, more than you signed on for).

It is not more difficult for a woman to get a job. The most difficult part for most women is the constant staring when out in certain areas. However, while uncomfortable, I've never felt unsafe. They look but don't touch.
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MrScaramanga



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As just about everywhere else in the world, women are paid less in the ME than men. I know women with more qualifications than their male counterparts and the same amount/quality of experience who get significantly lower salaries -- both at HCT and UAEU.
Alas...
MrS
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15yearsinQ8



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even at the college level, there's an unspoken bias TOWARDS women teaching female students and most staffs i've been on (4 universities in kuwait) had more women teachers than men.
However, the colleges usually like a few men on staff and will hire them to keep these unspoken quota at a minimum - even over a more qualified women.
So it cuts both ways.
Most places a married woman can't sponsor her husband or get married benefits so that part of their salary is less compared to a married male.
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helenl



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At HCT (in my own experience so I can't speak for everyone) as a woman, I was not discriminated against financially - but I was in content which sometimes is a world apart from EFL. At HCT as a female (no matter in which teaching discipline), the benefits and sponsorship was the same. I can't speak to the salary as it was not a topic I discuss in any workplace. At the tertiary level in UAE a female can sponsor her husband so far as I am aware, but I stand to be corrected.

Oh, and before anyone jumps and asks how can I be sure I'm not discriminated against financially? It's because others cannot keep their mouths shut.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know this is really a general query, but any advice about the application process, interviewing and working would be appreciated. Do you think it is more difficult for a woman to get a job? Is she paid less? These are a couple of curiosities that have arisen reading over posts here


I can only speak for Saudi Arabia, where the education system is segregated - only women teach women, and men teach men - so you will not be in competition with men for jobs. You should also be paid the same amount as a male colleage with similar credentials.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"At the tertiary level in UAE a female can sponsor her husband so far as I am aware, but I stand to be corrected."

Correction unneeded.

NCTBA
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl wrote:
Oh, and before anyone jumps and asks how can I be sure I'm not discriminated against financially? It's because others cannot keep their mouths shut.

That is exactly the situation that I found in the Emirates and Oman... pay was based on credentials, not sex.

VS
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mindloop



Joined: 25 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: In Saudi Arabia Reply with quote

Is this what I can expect if I come to Saudi Arabia

http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article38061.ece

Does this apply to expat wives too? I've just accepted a job there. So has my husband!
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: In Saudi Arabia Reply with quote

mindloop wrote:
I've just accepted a job there. So has my husband!


Congratulations! They hardly EVER hire in saudi arabia!

NCTBA
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: In Saudi Arabia Reply with quote

mindloop wrote:
Does this apply to expat wives too? I've just accepted a job there. So has my husband!

As commonly happens, NCTBA's post has left even me mystified... Laughing

But, that article is referring to Saudi women who need the written permission of their husband, father, or male guardian (perhaps brother - if she doesn't have the other two) to travel.

VS
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd think that it only applies to nationals...my wife never needed a mahram when travelling...

NCTBA
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article referred to Saudi and GCC nationals. As a foreigner here you may be on your husband's iqama. If so, he has to apply for your exit visa.
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