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Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject:

Has anyone mentioned how the verb 'hate' is supplanting the noun 'hatred', as in "full of hate" or "hate crime"? Let's put it on the list of peeves.

johnslat · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject:

Dear Sashadroogie,

"Hate" is no more "always" a verb than "love" is:

"Main Entry: 1hate
Pronunciation: \ˈhāt\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hete; akin to Old High German haz hate, Greek kēdos care
Date: before 12th century
1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
2 : an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business � F. L. Paxson"

And the noun "hate" has been around for quite some time.

As for "favorite words," well, I've always liked "serendipity."

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject:

It may have an old provenance but it still peeves me. What can I do?

Traduce is also a favourite of mine.

Stephen Jones · Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject:

Got one, thanks. And without the substances that others need to make it through the day.

To comprise. Lovely word. Sadly, now subject to all sorts of prepositional distresses.

johnslat · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject:

I've always liked the irony that alcohol comes from Arabic.

The word alcohol appears in English in the 16th century, loaned via French from medical Latin, ultimately from the Arabic الكحل (al-kuḥl, "the kohl, a powder used as an eyeliner").
ال al is Arabic for the definitive article, the in English.
The current Arabic name for alcohol is الكحول al-kuḥūl, re-introduced from western usage."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Etymology

But there's some dispute as to the source:

"Arab scholars say there is no doubt that alcohol derives from another word: al-kol (al-ghol). The old Arabic dictionaries define al-kol (al-ghol) as a genie or spirit that may take away the mind. Obviously, the last statement fits well with alcohol--it does take away the mind."

http://www.worldandi.com/specialreport/2001/november/Sa21530.htm

Regards,
John

spiral78 · Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash

When can we get back to the 'pets' part of the thread? My schnauzer waits patiently.... Cool

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject:

I am not disinterested in the petty peevy bits too, har har.

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

I like the word "penultimate", but I'm glad not too many people use it because then you would hear things like "the one before the penultimate....". That WOULD be a peeve.

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject:

The antepenultimate?

johnslat · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject:

The prepenultimate?

Regards,
John

johntpartee · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258

...and the winner is (envelope please): "antepenultimate!"

johnslat · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject:

And then, there's alot - alot of people think it's a word.

And they also mix up "awhile" (adverb) and "a while" (noun.)

Regards,
John

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject:

'Passer-bys' would be a peeve if I thought people actually said this. Do they?

Sashadroogie · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject:

Mispronunciation of 'height'. Can't stand 'heigth'