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thibs23
Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:52 pm Post subject: Future College Graduate with ESL Desire and Teaching Abroad |
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Hi everyone, can I start with thanking you for any and all information that you give me. Any bit is appreciated, and furthermore I have fairly thick skin so you guys do not have to sugar coat anything.
I am 20 year old junior at the University of Maine, expected to complete both my B.A. in Education and B.A. in history in the May of 2011. Upon this completion, I will also receive my teaching certificate from the state of Maine. Next spring I am heading to Spain or Italy to complete my student teaching abroad for one semester. As of right now, I am contemplating my future.
I know you guys may want some specific areas that interest me, but I am very open to location. What areas would I be able to get jobs in? I know Europe is extremely difficult because I am American. Asia, the ME, Africa, and LA all interest me.
Upon graduating Im looking to explore a few different options. I am looking to begin some kind of a career in education, either in History or ESL. The first option is to continue my education somewhere and to look at getting my masters in either history or education. I was also looking at getting a masters in ESL. What does this entail? Another option, I was hoping to explore through this message was teaching overseas. With my resume, after graduation, what would be my next step. Would I need to bolster my resume? In the next year what can I do to bolster my resume?
Even after reading many posts, I am still having a bit of a hard time understanding the numerous amounts of courses, like CELTA and TESOL, available in ESL. Because this may end up being my career path, what would the best course of action be, not to skimp out on experience and education right? I was looking at the ISS, would International schools be an option. Also as my passion is with history, how would I go about looking for a job teaching history??
It is very overwhelming, excuse me for my ignorance, but what are my options?
I was thinking of taking some Spanish language courses this summer would that help my resume. Any other ideas, maybe tutoring next school year or doing some substitute teaching this year.
Thanks again, Zach |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Future College Graduate with ESL Desire and Teaching Abr |
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thibs23 wrote: |
Hi everyone, can I start with thanking you for any and all information that you give me. Any bit is appreciated, and furthermore I have fairly thick skin so you guys do not have to sugar coat anything.
I am 20 year old junior at the University of Maine, expected to complete both my B.A. in Education and B.A. in history in the May of 2011. Upon this completion, I will also receive my teaching certificate from the state of Maine. Next spring I am heading to Spain or Italy to complete my student teaching abroad for one semester. As of right now, I am contemplating my future.
I know you guys may want some specific areas that interest me, but I am very open to location. What areas would I be able to get jobs in? I know Europe is extremely difficult because I am American. Asia, the ME, Africa, and LA all interest me.
Upon graduating Im looking to explore a few different options. I am looking to begin some kind of a career in education, either in History or ESL. The first option is to continue my education somewhere and to look at getting my masters in either history or education. I was also looking at getting a masters in ESL. What does this entail? Another option, I was hoping to explore through this message was teaching overseas. With my resume, after graduation, what would be my next step. Would I need to bolster my resume? In the next year what can I do to bolster my resume?
Even after reading many posts, I am still having a bit of a hard time understanding the numerous amounts of courses, like CELTA and TESOL, available in ESL. Because this may end up being my career path, what would the best course of action be, not to skimp out on experience and education right? I was looking at the ISS, would International schools be an option. Also as my passion is with history, how would I go about looking for a job teaching history??
It is very overwhelming, excuse me for my ignorance, but what are my options?
I was thinking of taking some Spanish language courses this summer would that help my resume. Any other ideas, maybe tutoring next school year or doing some substitute teaching this year.
Thanks again, Zach |
Do you want to teach adults or teach children? If you want to teach adults and you want to do this as a career, then skip these entry-level courses like CELTA and go get a graduate certificate in TESL or a master's degree in TESL or applied linguistics. If you want to teach children, add ESL to your teaching certificate. As for the Spanish thing, I recommend you do something like this: http://www.latinimmersion.com/ since it will help you to experience what English language learners in your home country go through. |
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thibs23
Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I figured I would leave something out, my education degree is in Secondary Education, that was the age group I was hoping to teach, children from 12-18 however I would be open to other options if they present themselves.
What do you mean add ESL to my teaching certificate, sorry if I sound like a newbie, would that be a course or....?
As far a the Intensive Spanish course goes, I am 95% going to Spain in the Spring of 11" to do student teaching at a secondary school there. I figured if I take a few classes in spanish before, then go to Spain for a semester, that will be a good immersion. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Are you leaning more towards teaching English or history?
For English, you can start with a certificate. Any course that is 100ish to 120 hours, including several hours of observed practice teaching on real EFL students, should be good--CELTA, Trinity, and SIT are some top name-brands, but they aren't the only ones. This certificate + a BA will qualify you for entry-level jobs in countries where you can work legally--still ruling out Europe, unfortunately. If you decide to make a career of it (I'd recommend teaching for a year or two to make sure that you like it!), then you can look into MAs, although they would be more advantageous for university jobs, not secondary.
For history, international schools are the way to go. Generally, to qualify for the good ones, you need a credential, which you will have when you graduate, and a couple of years of experience--so try to get a job in Maine or elsewhere in the US and then start exploring your options abroad.
Good luck!
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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With just your teaching license and no teaching experience, a lot (most?) of international schools will not hire you, whether to teach English or any other subject. Get 2 years of experience back home first if you want to go this route.
Many / Most countries will hire fresh college grads with any old BA degree. The work is usually entry level, meaning conversation school or ALT at a public school. Put in a year or two of that, and you can move up a bit.
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Another option, I was hoping to explore through this message was teaching overseas. With my resume, after graduation, what would be my next step. Would I need to bolster my resume? In the next year what can I do to bolster my resume? |
Depends on what country(ies) you pursue. In Japan, the vanilla degree is common, but the market is flooded here now. Hard to say whether employers are actually smart enough to hire people with better qualifications. They haven't shown such intelligence recently.
What can you do to fortify your resume?
Volunteer teach.
PT teach.
Private tutor.
Teach online.
Publish.
Get a certification like CELTA.
Attend conferences and network. (OK, this won't help the resume, but it will help you learn more.) |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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thibs23 wrote: |
I figured I would leave something out, my education degree is in Secondary Education, that was the age group I was hoping to teach, children from 12-18 however I would be open to other options if they present themselves.
What do you mean add ESL to my teaching certificate, sorry if I sound like a newbie, would that be a course or....?
As far a the Intensive Spanish course goes, I am 95% going to Spain in the Spring of 11" to do student teaching at a secondary school there. I figured if I take a few classes in spanish before, then go to Spain for a semester, that will be a good immersion. |
I don't remember if you said what country you live in but in the States ESL is usually an endorsement that is added to a general education certificate but since you're interested specifically in middle school or high school, it can be a stand-alone certification. Check with whoever issues your teacher certification to find out what would be required. If you let me know what country you're in, I may be able to better point you in the right direction.
Correction: okay, you did say you were at University of Maine. So, Maine requires you to complete your degree, pass the appropriate PRAXIS exams (http://www.ets.org/portal/site/ets/menuitem.1488512ecfd5b8849a77b13bc3921509/?vgnextoid=50f66c8ac0f93210VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD&vgnextchannel=09436c8ac0f93210VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD) and submit the appropriate certificate applications and fees. There is an ESL exam that you can take (look under world languages here: http://www.ets.org/portal/site/ets/menuitem.1488512ecfd5b8849a77b13bc3921509/?vgnextoid=ae176c8ac0f93210VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD&vgnextchannel=71636c8ac0f93210VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
Are you leaning more towards teaching English or history?
For English, you can start with a certificate. Any course that is 100ish to 120 hours, including several hours of observed practice teaching on real EFL students, should be good--CELTA, Trinity, and SIT are some top name-brands, but they aren't the only ones. This certificate + a BA will qualify you for entry-level jobs in countries where you can work legally--still ruling out Europe, unfortunately. If you decide to make a career of it (I'd recommend teaching for a year or two to make sure that you like it!), then you can look into MAs, although they would be more advantageous for university jobs, not secondary.
For history, international schools are the way to go. Generally, to qualify for the good ones, you need a credential, which you will have when you graduate, and a couple of years of experience--so try to get a job in Maine or elsewhere in the US and then start exploring your options abroad.
Good luck!
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CELTA, etc. are more for teaching adults. He wants to teach middle school and high school. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I know that--hence my comment about MAs being better for university work than secondary schools.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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denise wrote: |
Yes, I know that--hence my comment about MAs being better for university work than secondary schools.
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Here in New York State if you want to teach ESL in the public schools you pretty much need a master's degree (since there are very few bachelor's degrees in TESL) and, in any event, all public school teachers here are required to obtain them within a certain number of years after being hired (around five, I think). |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Chancellor wrote: |
denise wrote: |
Yes, I know that--hence my comment about MAs being better for university work than secondary schools.
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Here in New York State if you want to teach ESL in the public schools you pretty much need a master's degree (since there are very few bachelor's degrees in TESL) and, in any event, all public school teachers here are required to obtain them within a certain number of years after being hired (around five, I think). |
Sigh. OK, fine, get an MA to work in New York State as well. Either an MA is useful or it's not. I give up. You've got all the answers.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
Chancellor wrote: |
denise wrote: |
Yes, I know that--hence my comment about MAs being better for university work than secondary schools.
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Here in New York State if you want to teach ESL in the public schools you pretty much need a master's degree (since there are very few bachelor's degrees in TESL) and, in any event, all public school teachers here are required to obtain them within a certain number of years after being hired (around five, I think). |
Sigh. OK, fine, get an MA to work in New York State as well. Either an MA is useful or it's not. I give up. You've got all the answers.
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I'm just telling you what the reality is. Maine (where the original poster is going to school) doesn't require the master's degree but if the poster were to seek certification in New York State, he'd have a certain amount of time after getting hired by a school to get a master's (also, there aren't many bachelor degree programs in TEFL, so it's either get a masters in it or get a B.Ed. that has at least 24 credit hours of TEFL-related coursework). If the original poster wants to make TEFL a career and wants to teach children (including middle school or high school) an entry-level TEFL certificate isn't going to be enough.
So, is a master's useful or isn't it? If you want to go beyond entry-level in the TEFL world then I think it is useful. Feel free to present your reasons as to why a master's would not be useful. |
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