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[Joachim]

What I am saying, Scot47 is that WE, as teachers shouldn't tolerate discrimination in our profession.

Howvwer, as it is such a transient profession, few ESL teachers seem to care one way or another.

And, just our of interest - which of Articulate Inc's posts/"basic premises" do you disagree with??

[articulate_ink]

[scot47]

articulat_ink : "I know lots of people think homosexuality is at best a fetish and at worst a sin, and as such, us homos ought not to marry, expect civil rights, etc. I completely get that. I also wanted to be clear that I'm not interested in hearing from the idiots who think and feel that way."

You know where the lines are drawn so do not play the innocent.
Do you really expect the rest of the world to accept your interpretation of what is "right", "Good" "moral" and "desirable" ?

[shmooj]

Albulbul, we've gone over being PC in the world of TESorFL before on this forum so we don't really need to go there. Life is simply not PC despite our deepest desires that it be so. Descrimination is too loaded a word for anyone to agree on when it is taking place or not. This is because it is a morally loaded word and in our post-modern society, morality has little to anchor itself on. The plus side of this is that anything goes and the negative is that anything goes.

As for what Scot47 may be taking issue to, I think it is very obvious. The OP started out by saying that he did not want to hear from anyone who held a point of view wherein he is labelled in terms he finds offensive. While we can all empathise with this dearly held wish, this appeal to dam the tide of bigotry is self-defeating because, alas, it is in itself bigoted.

IOW, by insisting on silencing others' views, no matter how despicable we may find them, we are in fact surrendering any right to demand that we are heard ourselves.

[johnslat]

Dear shmooj,
Yours may well be the most rational, clear-headed message posted so far on this thread (with the possible exception of all of mine, of course).
Regards,
John

[fat_chris]

[scot47]

"I'm not interested in hearing from the idiots who think and feel that way."

You disagree with people, call them idiots and thus dispense with the need for discussion !


Who is the bigot now, Mr articulate_ink ?

[articulate_ink]

[scot47]

"It's presumptuous. It's asinine. It happens often enough, but that doesn't mean the arguer knows what (s)he is talking about." (articulte_ink)

You are at it again, just after retracting the "idiot" label. If you wish to engage in dialogue, dispense with the insults.

[articulate_ink]

[yaramaz]

Can we re-start this thread under the assumption that no slight was intended and that the OP merely wanted relevant, informed advice rather than unnecessary negative comments about his sexuality?

Please shake hands now, boys, and go back to your corners.

[shmooj]

[Brooks]

as far as I know, the gay scene in Tokyo is in Shinjuku.
From what I have heard, gays are becoming accepted in Japan. It is probably easier to be gay in Osaka, Tokyo, or Kyoto, than out in the country.
I know of one woman from Tokyo who is a lesbian and her mother wanted her to marry a man. So she had to meet men picked by her mother. But of course she wasn`t interested. The mother would cry and wish her daughter was straight.


I work with some gays.
I think it is easier for them to fit in to the Japanese work culture, since they are not married and don`t have children. So, they can devote themselves to their jobs.
I would probably say that my employer is gay friendly. But I wonder if they have a don`t ask, don`t tell policy.

[SueH]

[shmooj]