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Ernstern14
Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:12 am Post subject: |
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lol, ok I will try to plan more for my illnesses. And in answer to you question Glenski, I do not ditch out on people at the last minute with no consideration for their feelings nor do I make them wait for me, but I'm speaking from experiance within my cultural context. Work and play are most of the times separate in my experience and I considered my co-workers inviting me the day of to go out to drink and eat with them as something less formal. I really wanted to go out with them, but by the end of the day when my fever was worse instead of better I told them I wouldn't be able to make it. This was also the first opportunity to tell them as there was no break in classes that day. I think that I've gotten some good feedback on this and I think it is something that will be overcome and moved passed. Thanks for all the great input everyone.
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| The people at your new job sound like control freaks. My advice is to just kill 'em with kindness. Just do your job the best you can. There are always cultural misunderstandings, but you know what? Japanese people often love when that happens. Why? A bumbling foreigner takes the pressure off of them. The pressure and constraints most Japanese people are under---it ain't pretty. PLEASE do not lose too much of your self just because you want to fit in, to adapt to Japanese norms.... I feel so sorry for the foreigners I have met who try to emulate Japanese honne, gaman, tataemae(sp?). |
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Bread
Joined: 24 May 2009 Posts: 318
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, you are expected to join in after-work socialization when invited, ESPECIALLY when you're new. The first time at a new workplace is practically mandatory. But four nights in a row is WAY excessive and not at all normal. |
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mhard1
Joined: 09 Dec 2009 Posts: 54 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:37 am Post subject: |
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hey
I am going to admit first that I did not read any of the replies or anything about the details of your behavior that you are receiving complaints about.
That being said...
Basically if you are new, you are going to have to prove yourself. Not only are you rubbing off on them the wrong way, because you do not meet all the expectations that they have, and it takes them time to get to know you; But also, they probably rub off on you the wrong way for the same reasons. It took me about 3 months before I got into the groove and we started to understand eachother. I would venture to say it might be somewhere the same for you.
Be as patient as you possibly can, and just stick it out. They will come around, and so will you, and when you guys gel it will be a lot better. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 Posts: 458 Location: Saigon, Vietnam
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Start looking for another job. You only get one chance to make that first impression and if they don't like you now, they won't ever like you.
It's like living with a roommate you don't like, the only answer is for one of you to move out.
It's not worth the grief - find another job. |
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Cool Teacher

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hang in there chap!  |
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Imseriouslylost
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 123 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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My first impression at my JHS wasn't as bad but at the same time I feel like they aren't respecting the fact that I'm experienced. After teaching High School unassisted for several years and a private academy before that, it's a kick in the pride bone for someone to give me 'pointers' about that which I already know and consider obvious (for instance, before my first class: "it's important to project your voice and walk around the aisles when you're not teaching"). This goes both to my JHS and my dispatch company... It's like experience outside Japan is worthless to them.
Aside from that, that's my only gripe really. Everything else is going alright. They do expect you to be psychic here and pick up on manners and social norms without being told. I suggest you read up.
Have you considered buying gifts for your office? I'm Canadian and I bought a Tim Horton's coffee mix and put it buy the coffee machine with a note saying it's free for all... even people who never talked to me before were thanking me. That's not really a normal solution but it worked for me, so you might want to consider it. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Imseriouslylost wrote: |
| it's a kick in the pride bone for someone to give me 'pointers' about that which I already know and consider obvious. It's like experience outside Japan is worthless to them. |
Suck it up, I say. Schools tend to see themselves as unique and they want you to teach/work "their" way. Probably seems goofy to an experienced teacher, but I suggest you just smile and say thanks.
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| They do expect you to be psychic here and pick up on manners and social norms without being told. |
Yeah, more or less. You will learn as you go. Lots of funny/frustrating experiences along the way. But, no, you won't always get direct instructions about life/work here. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:05 am Post subject: It's not about you |
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My first impression at my JHS wasn't as bad but at the same time I feel like they aren't respecting the fact that I'm experienced. After teaching High School unassisted for several years and a private academy before that, it's a kick in the pride bone for someone to give me 'pointers' about that which I already know and consider obvious (for instance, before my first class: "it's important to project your voice and walk around the aisles when you're not teaching"). This goes both to my JHS and my dispatch company... It's like experience outside Japan is worthless to them.
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This is a the result of a cultural difference, I believe, and not a criticism of your teaching ability. In Japan, where relationships at work are hierarchical, the senior person is obligated to tell the junior even the most rudimentary things, and never assumes that the junior knows what to do. It is the senior person's obligation to always instruct from where you left off with him or her, not from where *you* left off. This is true in education, more traditional business models and traditional arts such as ikebana and martial training. No matter that you are a black belt in one martial skill, the sensei of a different art will start you at the bottom.
The hard part is the "kuuki wo yomu koto", the act of reading the air about a situation or person. That takes time and experience to understand, and lots of Japanese people are not very good at it, and may not "get" you, or their coworkers. Look for a Japanese person who is a good example of reading the atmosphere and learn from him/her. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with TokyoLiz- it's definitely an attempt to show seniority and establish the sempai/kohai (senior/junior) relationship.
When I was teaching group classes in culture centres, more than once I arrived to start a new class and had the person in charge tell me I should start the class by writing my name on the board, in big letters It used to bug the hell out of me at the time, but I realise now that it was an attempt to show me that I was lower in rank than that person. Luckily I didn't have to deal with those people very often, because I imagine it can get quite annoying if it continues for a long time. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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It's not all bad, the sempai/kohai thing as an ALT at least.
My school has about 20 new teachers this year including two new JTEs. Many of them are quite young (under 30). But even the older ones have come to ask for advice, low down and how I or the other teachers dealt with some of the more challenging students in their classes last year.
Last week, the new JTE for one of the special classes came and asked me pretty much all the same questions I asked last year and it was nice to be able to share my experiences and have them acknowledged; why student A is even in the class when they don't have any serious learning problems; why student B played up really bad despite normally being one of the best students in the class, etc. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: Wow, you've gone the distance! |
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But even the older ones have come to ask for advice, low down and how I or the other teachers dealt with some of the more challenging students in their classes last year.
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Seklarwia - It does take time and momentum to be able to feed back to your colleagues at the schools. If people are coming to you for advice and to bounce ideas of you, no doubt that the staff as a body have decided that you've demonstrated capabilites and insights.
To the OP and other noobs in Japan's education system - also bear in mind that Japan has little standardization, and every school is trying to address needs of teachers and students, sometimes hitting, sometimes missing. Everybody expects the new guy not to know the insitution's culture. Learn from them as you go, then contribute when they think you're ready. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| seklarwia wrote: |
| It's not all bad, the sempai/kohai thing as an ALT at least. |
True, true. There are benefits to this system. It may hurt one's ego to be talked down to at times, but, on the other hand, a new teacher gets some room to make mistakes/learn the job.
At a previous job, the Japanese staff expressed gratitude and amazement that I made a pot of coffee at the start of the shift. Silly example.
Many jobs probably view their new employees as a blank, a zero. They don't know how much you know, so it is easier for them to assume you know nothing.
Again, it gives you room to goof up and apologize a lot.  |
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Insubordination

Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 394 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Not only are you rubbing off on them the wrong way |
Hee *rolls over in gutter* |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Wow, you've gone the distance! |
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| TokyoLiz wrote: |
| Seklarwia - It does take time and momentum to be able to feed back to your colleagues at the schools. If people are coming to you for advice and to bounce ideas of you, no doubt that the staff as a body have decided that you've demonstrated capabilites and insights. |
Yes. And it wasn't by playing the "foreigner" card as somebody else suggested earlier.
If you want to be accepted; when in Rome... I played the good little kohai (even though it meant going against my very nature at times) so was quickly accepted as a junior staff member rather than being that bloody foreigher that the government says they must have in their school. It also meant that people would hear out my ideas and suggestions, allowing me to demonstrate that I did know my stuff unlike many of the of the fresh-faced grads with their totally unrelated BA/BSc who have no work experience let alone teaching experience and not only have never left their country before, but have never even faced the challenge of having to learn a foreign language before, who have come here to party and see being a (JET) ALT as an easy way to fund a year long holiday - the last ALT was from Interac and she is the only one that the staff have anything good to say about.
I also did a lot of extra things in my own time just like the Japanese staff have to do. I did spend many evenings preparing students for speech competitions, STEP tests and entrance exams. I did accompany nervous students to entrance exams on my day off because they had asked me to be there. I did help organise the visit of a load of foreign teachers to our school and not only take part in their welcome, but also actively took part in the tours and was the interpreter for all the French speakers and Brazilians. And even though me and one of the female JTEs was receiving more than a little unwelcome attention from many of the African men, we sucked it up and even helped entertain the group well into the evening - something that didn't go unnoticed by Kyoto-sensei. I could go on listing all the extra things but the point is that I demonstrated that I wasn't afraid of little extra work and this was acknowledged by all of the school staff last year, not just the JTEs.
I did some kohai time; it took a lot of time and effort, but it was a good time to learn new things and this year I have been awarded with a form of sempai status with the new staff and the old staff treat me as an equal instead of looking down on me as I've heard many other ALTs complain. |
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