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How teched up are your students?

 
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: How teched up are your students? Reply with quote

I was a bit shocked (and dismayed) that quite a few of my uni students seem to have no clues about;

sending email (in Japan, many people only send text-mails from their cellphones)

using a subject line in an email

realizing that you can send emails from other countries (yes, I am cruel, they had homework over our short holiday)

How tech savvy are your students? Any surprises?

Japan is supposed to still be a tech gadget lover's paradise, but you have to wonder...
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds kind of primitive out there, heh heh! Very Happy

My students are whizzes with computers and all the rest. Can't verify this, but Russian hackers seem to be among the most... talented, if that's the word. Though, I must admit, I'm getting more than a touch impatient waiting for my contacts to crack the PlayStation 3 console.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think what was more surprising was that these are youngsters who have grown up in this Internet/PC area (majority born in 1991/1992), but for some of them their tech related knowledge is decidedly lacking. Now when it comes to making some video games, some Japanese programmers and houses are fairly good, as the video game systems were dominant here and still are to some extent (xbox is slowly making inroads).

Funny you should mention about hacking, this confirms and backs my point from a discussion earlier about education being only so good in that it has to be coupled with job creation (of course some people will make their own way, and that's fine, but not everyone wants to be in business for themselves). For some people in Eastern Europe, the job and start up opportunities were never created, and they found it more lucrative to hack than to make money as legitimate programmers and/or IT entrepreneurs.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We get quite a range. Students are required to do exercises on Moodle, so at the beginning of the academic year we take our classes to the labs to get them signed up. There are some who have no clue what's going on and some who were clearly born into the age of technology. It's great to have a couple of them in class--they make great teachers' helpers! While I'm running around trying to make sure everyone has entered his/her password correctly, these tech-savvy guys get on the teacher's computer and help speed things up.

Most students seem to want to use the software that we've got (in addition to Moodle). They can all find their way around the internet--and if I'm not vigilant enough they'll invariably end up reading the latest football news or watching Akon videos--but as soon as I start up a new program, they all want to know how to use it. Their reaction delights me, because I tend to be a bit skeptical. I have to see a clear benefit to putting something on a computer, but for them the medium itself is interesting enough.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:

Funny you should mention about hacking, this confirms and backs my point from a discussion earlier about education being only so good in that it has to be coupled with job creation (of course some people will make their own way, and that's fine, but not everyone wants to be in business for themselves). For some people in Eastern Europe, the job and start up opportunities were never created, and they found it more lucrative to hack than to make money as legitimate programmers and/or IT entrepreneurs.


Therefore their education was substandard??? Are you confusing education with industrial training again?

Let's not re-activate a tired argument. The other thread may generate more light. This one is just heat.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of our students can use the computer but are completely unable to filter out rubbish they read from the useful stuff. Research skills ? ZERO !
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How teched up are your students? Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
I was a bit shocked (and dismayed) that quite a few of my uni students seem to have no clues about;

sending email (in Japan, many people only send text-mails from their cellphones)

using a subject line in an email

realizing that you can send emails from other countries (yes, I am cruel, they had homework over our short holiday)

How tech savvy are your students? Any surprises?

Japan is supposed to still be a tech gadget lover's paradise, but you have to wonder...
We're in the same boat.

Japanese students less and less use computers (in favor of their cell phones), so they are losing any sense of keyboard operations, whether in English or Japanese.

Emails. Don't get me started! They don't even know the phrase "subject line"! To them it's "topic". As for the emails themselves, they really need someone to explain to them about proper use of language. I actually got a message from a student with her homework attached, and the mail said "See to it".

My uni has a first-year course on some general computer use, but it's pretty lame and pointless. If they haven't learned how to use Excel, Word, or Powerpoint in HS, they don't learn anything more in that course! Basically, they learn what their email username and password are, how to access email (uni account only, which they rarely use), and that's about it. Nobody knows how to use an online dictionary, Firefox, a spell or grammar checker, or much else.

One of my colleagues is just this year going to offer a (Saturday) one-off course to teach them some of those things...in his spare time and for free.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many of our students can use the computer but are completely unable to filter out rubbish they read from the useful stuff. Research skills ? ZERO !



Yes, research skills are poor here. They can't seem to tell which are better sources of information that is probably not slanted and/or less based on opinions.

My colleague today was telling me that the Japanese defintion of 'summary' includes also 'copying' or quoting but without referencing that it is a quote. So students often summarize by copying directly from the article. Some professors have been caught doing the same in published articles as it used to be a common Japanese practice (at some unis it still is, they just tend to not publish abroad).


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Therefore their education was substandard??? Are you confusing education with industrial training again?

Let's not re-activate a tired argument. The other thread may generate more light. This one is just heat.


No, I'm saying the process of government and education working together is substandard, which was the same position I stated before. I think education has mutually beneficial roles/goals in society, disagreeing with a forum poster who thought it only had one; to enlighten the individual. If the individual chooses to be poor and enlightened, that's his business, his choice. When the national economy is so poor the government can't function well, then it becomes another story.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This capitalistic linking of the quality of educational processes to the national economy is as tedious and as ideological as Marxist dogma.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it can be, but then again, how is communism working out there now? Even the Chinese finally decided to get in on the capitalism act! And now the Russians (wait, you mean I'm a millionaire/billionaire, so I must be a criminal.....Shocked Confused ! Oh well, can't win them all.


Back on topic, I have students that didn't know what a blog was. Some didn't realize that Mixi is a social network that uses blogs, but some of my students don't use an online social network, and use the web only through i-mode pages (pages developed for cellphones), so I guess the PC era hasn't started ruling here yet.

Maybe we weren't born too late Sasha! Then again, a little built in job security, at least until the next time the media lab people highlight my IT ignorance.
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