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yangyoseop



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Getting your way as far as placement Reply with quote

Hello all,

I've got an interview lined up with a large eikaiwa (back up job in case my real one goes south for whatever reason) and I'd like to be placed in Osaka. I'm sure they're going to ask me why, and I'd like to give them a decent answer. Unfortunately, my real reasoning is nowhere near decent. Anyone have any suggestions? I don't care if it's a lie or not, I'm fine with bullshitting people.
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projectrook



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lying to the hiring manager? What a great start. I can only imagine that if you find it so easy to lie to get a job, it wouldn't be hard for you to lie to managers and other staff. Gee, I really hope you work at the eikaiwa I work at because I look forward to being lied to also......
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't come up with a decent one, don't lie. Have an alternate location or two in mind.

Just what is your reason, if you don't mind answering?
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wayne432



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess would be "I want to party a lot in a city"?
That's a not decent answer I could think of...
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yangyoseop



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

projectrook wrote:
Lying to the hiring manager? What a great start. I can only imagine that if you find it so easy to lie to get a job, it wouldn't be hard for you to lie to managers and other staff. Gee, I really hope you work at the eikaiwa I work at because I look forward to being lied to also......


Deal with it.

Glenski wrote:
If you can't come up with a decent one, don't lie. Have an alternate location or two in mind.

Just what is your reason, if you don't mind answering?


Not pertinent to the subject.

wayne432 wrote:
My guess would be "I want to party a lot in a city"?
That's a not decent answer I could think of...


This is even worse than my actual reasoning.
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "unique in Japan" culture?

The dialect?

The centrality of the city?

Namba Bridge?
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yangyoseop



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Thanks Mr_Monkey, these are actually really useful suggestions! Smile
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yangyoseop wrote:
^Thanks Mr_Monkey, these are actually really useful suggestions! Smile


I thought he was trying to guess your real reason for wanting Osaka?

None of those reasons are good to give as justification as to why you need to be placed there. They make it sound as though you are choosing a holiday destination and the dialect shouldn't matter since the company is bring you in to work; not so that you can study Japanese or its dialects.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically the only reasons that are going to have any real weight are to have family or a fiance(e) in a particular area. Those are going to be hard to lie convincingly about, so you are just going to have to try your luck with the less important reasons and see if they will accommodate you.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Apsara. "Unique culture or dialect" (and certainly any sightseeing site) are not going to cut it.

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Not pertinent to the subject.
That's an interesting answer. I'm not trying to pry the answer out of you with this follow-up, but I find your remark above strange considering you started the thread based on that very subject. Maybe if you could explain what you meant by the above...
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
yangyoseop wrote:
^Thanks Mr_Monkey, these are actually really useful suggestions! Smile


I thought he was trying to guess your real reason for wanting Osaka?

None of those reasons are good to give as justification as to why you need to be placed there. They make it sound as though you are choosing a holiday destination and the dialect shouldn't matter since the company is bring you in to work; not so that you can study Japanese or its dialects.
I was actually just offering suggestions.

However, there really is no good reason why someone applying for a chain school would prefer a major city other than the fact that it's... a major city (aside from the obvious answers you just gave) - the fact is that it's an employers' market and I don't think that there's really any cast-iron reason for expressing a preference - it's just that; justifying a preference.
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yangyoseop wrote:

Glenski wrote:
If you can't come up with a decent one, don't lie. Have an alternate location or two in mind.

Just what is your reason, if you don't mind answering?


Not pertinent to the subject.


You just 'Glenski'd' Glenski.
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yangyoseop



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Basically the only reasons that are going to have any real weight are to have family or a fiance(e) in a particular area. Those are going to be hard to lie convincingly about, so you are just going to have to try your luck with the less important reasons and see if they will accommodate you.


I don't think that'd be too difficult to lie about, actually. Brainstorming right now.

Glenski wrote:
That's an interesting answer. I'm not trying to pry the answer out of you with this follow-up, but I find your remark above strange considering you started the thread based on that very subject. Maybe if you could explain what you meant by the above...


I didn't start a thread about my real reason for wanting to be placed in Osaka, I started the thread to get good (fake) excuses for said placement. Therefore, it has no bearing on the subject at hand.

Mr_Monkey wrote:

However, there really is no good reason why someone applying for a chain school would prefer a major city other than the fact that it's... a major city (aside from the obvious answers you just gave) - the fact is that it's an employers' market and I don't think that there's really any cast-iron reason for expressing a preference - it's just that; justifying a preference.


But I specifically want Osaka, not just any big city, and I think requesting a specific place (rather than a type of place) will probably help my excuse sound more convincing. And, to be honest, if you're good enough you can justify anything Wink
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genesis315



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: tip Reply with quote

If you were really hoping to find good advice on lying and cheating, I think you could do a lot better than this website. Why not try the Anarchist's cookbook?
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projectrook



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that you refuse to give a reason makes it hard for people to really want to help you.
I am not all that happy that you would choose to lie, but that is just my tough luck. I would hope that you would be a more honest person, but hey what the heck. Everyone chooses their own path.
What I (and I assume some others) find rather poor is your refusal to give a reason for why you want Osaka. Even if not the full reason, just a basic idea. Of course there is a matter of privacy and such and any reason is your own. But......the fact that you keep it so secret is more on the side of being shaddy. You are leaving it up to the imagination of the reader, and well let's face facts, when doing so usually a worse thought is what comes to mind. It could be anything from illegal reasons to just, well I don't know. And because of that, few people are really going to want to offer you advice.

As others have said, nothing really short of having a serious reason for needing to be there is going to cut it. You can always request Osaka, and if there is a spot then that is where you will go. But by your own words, you don't have a serious reason. You can lie, you might even get away with it. But there is always the chance that whichever school you go to finds out and while chances are they cannot cancel your contract, they WILL make your year a living hell. And rightfully so. Showing such disrespect by lying to get your own selfish ways does not come off well in almost anywhere, especially Japan.
I suggest you evaluate your priorties. What is more important? Being in Osaka or having a teaching job in Japan? If you answer Osaka, then I would imagine that you really dont care all that much about being a teacher and you took a job away from someone who really wants to teach. And in closing, as I have read your posts in the past and you come off as pretty blunt, allow me the same. Unless you change your tune, I HOPE YOU NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER EVER, WORK IN JAPAN.
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