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Teaching vocabulary, what to focus on?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I also agree that chunking is a very important strategy. Working with concordances can be a very useful way to approach this, if you've got access to one.
Can someone explain how to actually teach students to practice chunking?

As for concordances, what are the better ones to use? I don't see them as relevant to any students except some of the higher level ones. My science uni students should find ways to use them, but they're woefully weak.

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We use tasks to highlight strategies that support 'accurate guessing of vocab in context,'
Another strategy that I've tried to use but failed miserably. Kind of hard to teach anything in just 12-13 lessons, and I recognize the importance of learning from context, but this is again something that IMO is very hard to teach, especially to low level students. Please explain how you do it and to whom.

J.M.A. wrote:
And this [text analysis] of course will depend on the type of task you give them. There is a basic threshold of linguistic knowledge students need in order to do the kind of reading we're talking about (actually any sort of mildly efficient reading). Once they're past that they can start to apply their L1 literacy skills and you can further augment them
I agree with this, but I have to say again that you people must really be teaching some fairly high level students. Here in Japan, there are no L1 literacy skills! I'm not joking.

Sherri wrote:
Paul Nation's page:

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/lals/staff/paul-nation.aspx

There are several good books listed on this site. Look closely at the zip files. You can download a program to analyse text for vocab. among other useful resources. I use these a lot.
Teachers can use such programs, but students cannot. I have seen one person present at a conference on how to use these a little, but it's not easy to adapt it for classes, so I'd be very interested in knowing what you do.

Another thing to note -- Japanese students know about 70% of the first 1000-2000 most common words, so I've read, and for some reason they also seem to know a fair amount in the next 1000, but they are seriously lacking from the first 2000, and these really hurt some teachers (like me). We expect that they know some fairly simple words, but they don't, and it's frustrating to get through a lesson when that happens.

Students in my classes always say that they want to learn more vocabulary to improve their English, but there are 2 pitfalls to this from my POV.
1) They don't really seem motivated to study words. Put them in a notebook and let them rot is how they "study".
2) They don't know how to study.
3) It's practically impossible to teach even the majority of students in the class some new vocabulary because of the extreme range of knowledge that they have. Some know 90% of the words I give, others know 10%, and others know 50%.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I work with very high-level students and the texts they need to work with are in-field, and therefore the vocabulary is relatively specific and narrow in scope. Further, courses are short and focused on a small set of texts.

We don't 'practice chunking' (sounds like some sport) but we do identify new words along with the few words around them that make a phrase. This means that, when students encounter a word they don't know (assuming that we find it appears often enough to be relevant) instead of writing the single word, they write the phrases in which they find it.

I have access to U.Birmingham's concordance, being an grad. I don't know if it's available to the general public.

So far as guessing in context, there are some strategies that often work. Identifying the 'root' of the word (enabler, for example), making a judgement from context about whether the word is likely to be positive or negative, removing the word from the text, substituting a known word, and then checking if the logic remains. There are others, but not on the tip of my typing fingers at the moment. Obviously not all apply to every situation!

I also have had great difficulties getting Asian students to apply guessing strategies, even when they really have to read complex texts in tight time limits for real reasons (some of our MA/Phd students, for example). It just seems really difficult for them to get beyond the idea that they need to know every word. In our teaching context, this is just an occasional problem, and these classes are mixed nationalities, so I can (have to) just kinda let them sink or swim Embarassed
I agree it would be quite challenging to devise strategies for getting Asian students to accept and apply strategies Very Happy
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone explain how to actually teach students to practice chunking?

I'm not sure that is a question of getting students to do this themselves, at least initially. But the teacher should always present vocabulary in chunks. For example, it is not enough to just teach the word 'listen' on its own. It needs to be presented with its preposition, as we all know. Otherwise learners will almost certainly produce "I listen music", not altogether unfairly if they have not been told otherwise. We can, however, directly teach them to record their new vocab in chunks in their notebooks - assuming they keep any.

Some more practical teaching strategies using texts and chunking are as follows:

1. Take a given text. Do all the usual reading comprehension exercises etc. Then, on a separate handout, list 10 or so selected chunks from the text, but with part of the chunk gapped out, e.g. 'by hook or by______'. From memory, learners must try and reproduce the original phrase. Did they notice it? Did their partner? Students read original text again to confirm guesses.

2. Having completed the 10 phrases in the gap-fill, a really nifty activity is for the learners to then try to recount the original text using only the 10 selected phrases as a framework to help them. Care needs to be taken here in the selection of the chunks, obviously, so that the overall narrative is retained by the highlighted lexis. Students can even take turns around the class recounting the text until all the phrases have been used. Learners are then already producing target vocab.

At least, that's what I do in class sometimes. Doesn't always work if learners are not very well-trained. For instance, I've used these strategies successfully with low-level learners but yet seen them fall flat with high-level uni students who couldn't be bothered.

Takes a bit of prep time, but at least materials can be re-cycled for other groups.

Hope that helps.
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J.M.A.



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Glenski"]

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I agree with this, but I have to say again that you people must really be teaching some fairly high level students. Here in Japan, there are no L1 literacy skills! I'm not joking.



Most of my students are fairly advanced, ranging from something around an IELTS 6.5 up to 8.0. I do think that even high level students need to continue developing their literacy skills, because their L1 literacy skills are often lacking and I think contrastive rhetorical analysis has demonstrated different kinds of literacy can exist (ie. certain concepts of Japanese literacy may be different from English). Students may also need to be socialized into the practice of new genres, and in any case, interpretation is a never ending process and skill which needs to be continually honed.

I agree it takes time before training can really start to pay off. I find that exam prep (the pressure of time and locating/interpreting information in a text) tends to provide a nice arena for focusing students on different kinds of strategies, which can then be applied more generally. There are many vocab specific techniques for memorizing and learning vocabulary in isolation, but ultimately I treat it as developing literacy (especially reading) skills. This assumes students are working with texts which are more or less appropriate for their level. I think it gets more complicated in lower levels where students can really struggle with basic bottom up decoding of a text.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Sherri wrote:
Paul Nation's page:

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/lals/staff/paul-nation.aspx

There are several good books listed on this site. Look closely at the zip files. You can download a program to analyse text for vocab. among other useful resources. I use these a lot.


Teachers can use such programs, but students cannot. I have seen one person present at a conference on how to use these a little, but it's not easy to adapt it for classes, so I'd be very interested in knowing what you do.


Hi Glenski, there are several program and links on the site, so I am not sure which one you mean exactly. I use the analysis program of vocab for myself when developing materials. I don't expect students to use it. We use the tests with students to determine their vocab level. The students in my program are low level (below TOEFL 450) and even in the highest level, they barely scrape by with the first 2000. My hope is that when they leave us, they at least have that. So that when they get to content teachers (like you?) they don't struggle as much.

We just started using the speed reading selections with our highest level (again just below 450) and student evals show us that they at least value them. It is too soon to see any other results, also it is hard to know if any improvements we see can be connected to speed reading (for fluency and practice of the first 2000).

I think it is important that students read a lot from graded readers a level below their tested level for fluency development. A book a week.

You mentioned that your students don't know how to study vocab, well neither do ours (about 90% Japanese) so this is something we teach them. There are many ideas for this in the Nation books and I am gradually adding these strategies in our classes.
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