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johntpartee
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| An L is not CHANGED into a Z. |
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Calypso
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:29 am Post subject: |
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More or less. As others have pointed out you don't actually CONVERT yr visa, you just get a new (& different) one.
I came into the country on a 60 day L visa, then when that 60 days was almost up the school sent me to HK where I presented the necessary paperwork & they issued me with a Z visa.
The school paid for the trip, my accommodation, the visa (& the 'one day rush' fee). No dramas. |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| An L is not CHANGED into a Z. |
John, when I say changed, I simply mean that a person starts of with an L visa, and is then allowed to acquire a Z visa from that position. Anyway the visa has been changed in a sense, because the passport holder in these circumstances has stopped using his L visa by cancelling and has changed to the use of a new visa by acquiring a Z. It's a bit like my putting on a tie before going to an important function, and my wife telling me to change it, because it's a monstrosity. I then take it off and go to the cupboard and put on another one (one that she will hopefully like). I go back to her and she rightly says "Good, I see that you've changed your tie". Do I say to her, "No wifey, you're wrong, you can't change a tie into another one, you have to take off the first one first, then..."? No, because I know that she doesn't mean I literally changed it, but simply means that I changed my use of ties! "Changing " in both senses is a figure of speech, and using such a term in both cases mentioned does not cause any confusion in the understanding of either circumstance. So, why the need for your pedantic post? 
Thanks for the confirmation, Calypso. You did well to find a school that paid for all the costs incurred. Hats off to you! |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Because confusion might ensue. I was confused when I first planned on coming to China. I had heard a lot about "changing" visas. If a person were to arrive in Hong Kong (from the US, for example) with all of the necessary paperwork, this person would be able to get a Z visa; an L visa is not NECESSARY. Since I was confused, I thought other people might be confused as well. Or maybe I'm just really stupid. |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Because confusion might ensue. I was confused when I first planned on coming to China. I had heard a lot about "changing" visas. If a person were to arrive in Hong Kong (from the US, for example) with all of the necessary paperwork, this person would be able to get a Z visa; an L visa is not NECESSARY. Since I was confused, I thought other people might be confused as well. Or maybe I'm just really stupid. |
While it's true that you may not need an L visa during the visa process, I don't see how that pertains to the point you made in your earlier post, about an L not being changed to a Z visa.
Anyway, as this to and fro between the two of us seems to be going nowhere, I'll leave it at that. |
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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| How many days in Hong Kong does it take to change to a Z visa? For Korea, I am reading you need 4 days processing time. |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| How many days in Hong Kong does it take to change to a Z visa? For Korea, I am reading you need 4 days processing time. |
if you mean "apply for and obtain a Z visa" it takes half a day.
There is no "changing." Much of the confusion on this topic is because people don't use the proper terms. Mix that in with dealing with officialdom and Chinese whose second language is English and its no wonder people have visa/residence permit problems when they arrive at their workplace.
"But I was told this........ "
"Well we meant that...... "
It's not so pedantic when people's lives are affected by it. |
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Calypso
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| if you mean "apply for and obtain a Z visa" it takes half a day. |
Not true. I was there a few weeks ago & it took a full day from the time I applied to the time I picked up my visa (as in overnight) and that was WITH the rush service which you have to pay for. The normal processing time is about 3 days but with the 'rush' fee you can get it back 24 hours later. There was no half day service when I was there. |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: |
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When people talk about "changing" an L to a Z visa, it should be obvious to all that they mean the following:
Can they go to Chinese officialdom somewhere, with a current L visa in their passport and then obtain a Z visa in the same passport without having to obtain any other visa first?
I'm sorry but I can't see how using terms like "changing" or "converting" are confusing. These terms are useful for the sake of brevity. Anybody with a degree of commonsense should know what is meant. The real issue that needs to be solved, that could cause confusion, is trying to figure out whether or not it's possible to obtain a Z straight after having a current L in your passport.
Constantly stating that "an L can't be changed to a Z", is pointless, time-wasting and, yes, pedantic. In fact, it's pointless statements like that, which often cause the confusion. |
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gene
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| Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Constantly stating that "an L can't be changed to a Z", is pointless, time-wasting and, yes, pedantic. In fact, it's pointless statements like that, which often cause the confusion. |
The regulation allows for the change...there are conditions that should be met but as most things .... it is subject to who is making sure the conditions are met.
Just got this info for Beijing....
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visa service,the cost is lower than before now,including:
1. L,F,Z visa extension 2. L,F change to Z visa 3. L change to F visa for 3 or 6 months. |
I have omitted the company name ..... |
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