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ZPlatypus



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Chinese Reply with quote

I would think the opportunity for learning Chinese (as opposed to Koren or Thai, for example) would be amajor plus for Taiwan.
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razorhideki



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Rooster: Yeesh...Y180K/mo. is a great salary in Japan?! Wow!

Not to get too off topic...and I don't think we are, since we're comparing Taiwan/Japan contract terms(and I might add that some Taiwan PS contracts offer airfare, housing, competitive salaries, etc.), I have to state yet again: there is no Japan state-mandated "guaranteed monthly income"! Just because you say it's so it "don't make it so". If you insist otherwise, I simply ask you: source?

So, nonetheless, let's say you get that wonderful $2K/mo. Yowzells! You're going to save dough on that!? What a lifestyle! But, OK, eat that natto & rice! Ride that bicycle!

Look, mate, I'm trying to be on YOUR side. If you don't believe me, go to the Japan Forum and tell your theory to the Japan vets...see what they'll say.
By your own admission, you've never lived/worked in Japan. I have(5 yrs.) and have lived in Korea for three(and contracts in SK are no screaming hell these days). So let me throw down this gauntlet: take a contract in Japan for 250K/mo., or less, and then AFTER 6 mos., come back here and tell us all how great things are. Sound fair? I think so....
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

razorhideki wrote:
To Rooster: Yeesh...Y180K/mo. is a great salary in Japan?! Wow!

Ummm, "great" and "wonderful" are your words, not mine. Please don't misquote me. I was merely explaining that a 180K per month salary is equal to $2,000 (provable simply by checking the current exchange rate), and that it is survivable, probably even allowing some savings if you are careful.

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Not to get too off topic...and I don't think we are, since we're comparing Taiwan/Japan contract terms(and I might add that some Taiwan PS contracts offer airfare, housing, competitive salaries, etc.), I have to state yet again: there is no Japan state-mandated "guaranteed monthly income"! Just because you say it's so it "don't make it so". If you insist otherwise, I simply ask you: source?

Okay, my source is Debito Arudou, the naturalized Japanese activist who publishes Japanese labor laws online and explains visa processes. Go to www.debito.org. According to his information, no foreigner may receive a Specialist in Humanities visa if the job sponsoring the visa pays less than the minimum wage for that sector. For teaching, this is around 170K yen or 180K yen per month. You can read this right in his Handbook for Newcomers, Migrants, and Immigrants to Japan.

And honestly, you say I don't have a clue about Japan, but your statements about PS in Taiwan show the same about your knowledge of Taiwan. Are you aware that to teach at a PS in Taiwan, you need a home country teacher's license, which requires returning to your home country and going through a several-year process? I believe there are only about 200 foreigners currently teaching at Taiwan public schools for this reason. It's extremely difficult to get in. Are you a home-country certified teacher?

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So, nonetheless, let's say you get that wonderful $2K/mo. Yowzells! You're going to save dough on that!? What a lifestyle! But, OK, eat that natto & rice! Ride that bicycle!
Well, I don't need to settle for 180K yen. With a BSc, a CELTA, and a year of experience, I don't see why I would need to take less than the 250K standard. 180K yen jobs are for chumps on working holiday visas without degrees.

However, if I had to make it on 180K yen, I'm sure I could. I've lived in three different Asian countries (Hong Kong, Korea, and now Taiwan), and am absolutely sure I can live more economically than the average English teacher in Japan. Quite frankly, I've been around English teachers for enough years to know how they spend -- and it isn't frugal. Of course they're going to complain about 250K salaries.

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Look, mate, I'm trying to be on YOUR side. If you don't believe me, go to the Japan Forum and tell your theory to the Japan vets...see what they'll say.
By your own admission, you've never lived/worked in Japan. I have(5 yrs.) and have lived in Korea for three(and contracts in SK are no screaming hell these days). So let me throw down this gauntlet: take a contract in Japan for 250K/mo., or less, and then AFTER 6 mos., come back here and tell us all how great things are. Sound fair? I think so....

Ummm, why would I do that? I never said things were "great" -- once again, your words, not mine, so why would I go over there and rave about how "great" the salary was compared to Taiwan?

Experience in three Asian countries has taught me "don't rave about how 'great' anything is until you have permanent residency."

I will probably go to Japan next year, and in all likelihood, I'll be somewhere in the 200K range. And I'll save some money. Not a huge amount, but enough to get myself ahead in life. And you know what? I won't be the first or the last to succeed in doing it, so there's no point in coming on the forums and saying "I was right, you were wrong."


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creztor



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, I don't know what it is with forums. We are all living away from our respective countries but for some reason we seem to manage to get into a "whose schlong" is bigger competition. There is another famous TW forum which is full of nothing but hate. I am sure this post will get deleted but this is why I post very rarely and don't post comments as often as I should. I am constantly amazed at just how hostile and angry we can be towards each other when in fact we should be doing the complete opposite. Delete away/flame me away.
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razorhideki



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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

creztor: It's been noted for many years how these forums turn into ''p***ing contests" and it's indeed unfortunate that it happens(have you ever been at the Korea Forums? Yeeeesh!). For my part, though, I'm just sick & tired of BS circulating from those WITHOUT direct experience telling all & sundry "how it is". Case in point: a poster who's never lived/worked in Japan asserting how saving money there, on Y180K/mo., is no problem as long as you live "frugally." Frugally indeed!

Rooster: this is for you

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=839191&highlight=#839191

Maybe you can hook up with shiggy after you've both been there for 6 mos. And , YES, it's about *beep* time that posters like you do your thing in Japan, for 180K/mo., and then come back to Dave's to tell the naysayers how "wrong" we were. That gaunlet has been thrown on the ground many times over the years(perhaps most notably by Glenski, who posts mostly on the Japan Forum)and yet NOT ONE poster has ever picked up that glove. Funny, huh?

So do your thing, spend your year in Japan watching Japanese "variety" shows(assuming you even have a TV)while munching that natto & rice. Fill your boots....

And thanks for your tip about Taiwan PS job qualifications Rolling Eyes.I said Taiwan jobs with better benefits & pay are out there(true)...didn't say every Tom, Dick & Harry EFLer was eligible to apply. Not only Taiwan, but in several E. Asian locales(e.g. HK) you must have a teaching cert. from your home country in order to teach in the public system. Not that it's germane to the discussion, but since you asked-yes, I have a home country teaching cert.

And can you clarify: Is 180K enough to live on & save money or...is it for "chumps on working holiday visas"? Very Happy
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

razorhideki wrote:
creztor: It's been noted for many years how these forums turn into ''p***ing contests" and it's indeed unfortunate that it happens(have you ever been at the Korea Forums? Yeeeesh!). For my part, though, I'm just sick & tired of BS circulating from those WITHOUT direct experience telling all & sundry "how it is". Case in point: a poster who's never lived/worked in Japan asserting how saving money there, on Y180K/mo., is no problem as long as you live "frugally." Frugally indeed!

Rooster: this is for you

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=839191&highlight=#839191

Maybe you can hook up with shiggy after you've both been there for 6 mos. And , YES, it's about *beep* time that posters like you do your thing in Japan, for 180K/mo., and then come back to Dave's to tell the naysayers how "wrong" we were. That gaunlet has been thrown on the ground many times over the years(perhaps most notably by Glenski, who posts mostly on the Japan Forum)and yet NOT ONE poster has ever picked up that glove. Funny, huh?

So do your thing, spend your year in Japan watching Japanese "variety" shows(assuming you even have a TV)while munching that natto & rice. Fill your boots....

And thanks for your tip about Taiwan PS job qualifications Rolling Eyes.I said Taiwan jobs with better benefits & pay are out there(true)...didn't say every Tom, Dick & Harry EFLer was eligible to apply. Not only Taiwan, but in several E. Asian locales(e.g. HK) you must have a teaching cert. from your home country in order to teach in the public system. Not that it's germane to the discussion, but since you asked-yes, I have a home country teaching cert.

And can you clarify: Is 180K enough to live on & save money or...is it for "chumps on working holiday visas"? Very Happy


How would one afford to rent an apartment on Y180, 000 a month? 1 month reikkin, 1 month shikkin, and 1 month rent. Your looking at about 3 or 4 months rent up front before you get to even move into an apartment in Japan! Even if you're not living in Tok