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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 1202
Location: Colorado, USA
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| Thats just the tip of the iceberg shakes... ZUS or no ZUS, life in Poland is very stressful, frustrating, downright maddening. I dont know your situation so I am not judging you, but once you start dealing with REAL Poland, outside of that protective bubble ESL teachers live in, Im talking about real illness in Polish hospitals, or death, opening a business, buying property, or just fixing your car at the dealer, and how god damn expensive everything really is, plus add the weather, the gritty com blocs, bums and alcoholics all around you, the roads/traffic... |
Don't you think we all live in a bit of a bubble in Poland? We earn 2 to 4 times the average salary, for f's sake.
Bottom line is that people love to complain, no matter where they are. Only you left your country to come here, maniak. So, no offence, but I don't know why you're still here if it's THAT bad.
P.S. If your car's too much trouble, you can always give it to me. I'd love to have one.  |
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maniak
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Posts: 194
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Im not going to apologize for what I wrote, and Im not complaining. I speak Polish, have family here, and went through all the motions. This is the reality of Poland, and this dude wants to move here? Im doing him a favor telling him all of this so he knows what to expect.
Look, none of you have dealt with serious long term illness in Polish hospitals and with death. I just have, thats why my post is 'pissing and moaning' because it is a fucking disaster. A fucking disaster. Or go break a knee and see how physical therapy works here. Some stitches or pneumonia? An African bushdoctor can fix that. Go to your doctor under NFZ and ask for a checkup/blood test, you know starndard shit in the US, see what happens.
Look, I dont want to come off as some disgruntled gungho old fart here, Im a young guy, I love where I live, the people I know, the nightlife and the ESL lifestyle/workload, Im well off, but like sparks said, this is NOT a country I want to get old in. It really is a sad fucking place. |
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scottie1113
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
Posts: 375
Location: Gdansk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Look, I dont want to come off as some disgruntled gungho old fart here, Im a young guy, I love where I live, the people I know, the nightlife and the ESL lifestyle/workload, Im well off, but like sparks said, this is NOT a country I want to get old in. It really is a sad fucking place. |
OK, I hear you. I haven't dealt with death here in Poland, only when I lived in the US, so I understand what you're saying. But to avoid the horrors you describe with the health system here-and they're real- I buy insurance to avoid that.
I AM old. Well, older. I'm 62, and unless something surprising happens, this is where I've chosen to throw out my anchor. And if this is a country you don't want to grow old in, I suggest you get out very soon, because it's affecting your attitude and that's dragging you down. I can read it in your posts.
Poland is not a sad fucking place. If you really believe it is, then you've got to get out as soon as you can before it destroys you. Sorry maniak, but on this you'll get no sympathy from me. You've made your bed. Now lie in it or check out of Hotel Poland. |
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scottie1113
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
Posts: 375
Location: Gdansk
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Cost of supporting myself until I get a job? |
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| JLL wrote: |
If I were to go to Poland and spend some time traveling around to find a town I liked and then trying to get a job, what could I expect to spend roughly per day until I started working? (Assuming I got a job within a reasonable time.)
I taught for 3.5 years in Japan, but have no certification. I have read here that finding a job in country is easiest in Poland, or I'd just try over the internet.
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What kind of town are you looking for? What makes you like a town? And how will you know until you've been there for more than a few days?
With no certification, you've crossed most of the better schools off your list before you even set foot on the ground. The ones that will hire you probably won't do much if anything to help you get your residency card, and as an American, you don't have a lot of time to get everything in motion.
MasterShake can tell you more about going to another country to buy more time. |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 1080
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| I'm enjoying certain freedoms here that I've forgotten about while living in the states - like no curfew for example. Or not having to worry about my kids going to school with metal detectors, dogs and armed police officers. You know... things that you simply don't put a second thought to here. |
where in the hell did you live man?! metal detectors, dogs and armed police officers at elementary schools??? VERY few children need to endure that in America.....stuff like that is reserved for the GHETTO.
curfew? what is that all about? i've never in my life heard of towns having curfews and if you happened to live in one, again, it's a huge exception. i've simply never heard of it and I lived in America for 27 years. |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 199
Location: NYC/Warszawa
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: |
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where in the hell did you live man?! |
Middle of NJ, NYC, North Jersey.. in each school this is exactly what we had...
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| metal detectors, dogs and armed police officers at elementary schools??? |
HIGH SCHOOLS... but now they are putting this stuff in middle schools too...
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| VERY few children need to endure that in America.....stuff like that is reserved for the GHETTO. |
what planet do you live on dude? oh yea.. haha... "that is reserved for the GHETTO"... sorta explains most of your previous posts too...
First of all the idea of Ghetto ... well, try to explain that to an average Pole.. I've done that and they can't even wrap their minds around certain stats.. like for example - LA - between 1992 and 2000 over 15,000 homicides. To quote the founding member of Crips - "If that happened in any other country, the US would send their troops there"
Why go far... I'm sure you're familiar with Homedell NJ... drive 20min west of that rich town and you'll find yourself in Camden... which not too long ago was the crime capital of the US... all in NJ... you know "ghettos" ha... man... talking about looking at life from an Ivory tower. How's the weather up there?
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| curfew? what is that all about? i've never in my life heard of towns having curfews |
again, if I remember correctly you grew up in NJ too right? Well, you must have been one of those MTV, TV dinner gens who'd prefer staying indoors after dark. I've had the pleasure of riding in the back of the squad car quite few times for ... sitting in a park after dark, or hanging out outside of my friend's building... you know... the dangerous stuff haha...
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| and if you happened to live in one, again, it's a huge exception. i've simply never heard of it and I lived in America for 27 years. |
Lucky you... and believe me, thousands of kids have to deal with this sort of reality every day in the US, you just happened to be lucky enough not to have to deal with that. Do you realize that in every major city in the US, at all hours of day and night there are kids as young as 9 years old selling crack in the streets? You lived about 10 mins from Newark NJ... do yourself a favor when you get back home... take exit 143 off the NJ Parkway and drive up Hawthorn Ave... then come back to this forum and tell me what you saw. It's actually about four blocks up from the Immigration offices...
I recommend watching this documentary... it sorta really brings things into a nice perspective... THIS is the reality of US schools that I was "lucky" enough to be familiar with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM-aqAZTqHI
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 199
Location: NYC/Warszawa
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Master Shake wrote: |
Don't you think we all live in a bit of a bubble in Poland? We earn 2 to 4 times the average salary, for f's sake.
Bottom line is that people love to complain, no matter where they are. Only you left your country to come here, maniak. So, no offence, but I don't know why you're still here if it's THAT bad.
P.S. If your car's too much trouble, you can always give it to me. I'd love to have one. |
I agree man... everyone here complaints so damned much... sort of why I keep popping in here less and less.. it's crazy! I've got two kids, pay for a nanny[which is just like paying for another apt.], rent and all the other fun things that go along with it... all that while working a 1/3 of what I was working back in the states. I still have time to organize music and art events, travel around Poland at least once a week to play gigs and enjoy summers by working even less... ha haha.. I often wonder what sort of life some of the ESL teachers had prior to their post teen angst decision to flee their oh so boring life in their oh so boring country... I mean... what happened between [for example dynow's posts from 3 years ago on this forum] the decision to leave and now? Nothing's changed... it's called reality - hard, cold reality - no matter where you go, you HAVE to work, no matter where you are, you'll have to be responsible... shoot... haha... cmon now. |
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Vorbourg
Joined: 28 Aug 2010
Posts: 7
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: Poland |
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Poland is not so expensive.
Extreme budgeting and being practical will keep you afloat. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: All over the place
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| Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: erm |
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'Poland is not expensive'- that is simply tosh. As a Brit I know when I see an expensive country.
Poland is cheap if you live like your average TEFLER. Ways of spotting a TEFLER in Poland:
-Extreme scruffiness.
-Jaded hungover look.
-Pasty, spotty face caused by a diet of milk bar soup and kebab w bulce.
-Round buying avoidance techniques.
-Beautiful girlfriend and a look of 'how did I do that?' written all over his cheesey grin.
-The shakes in class.
-A tendency to wax lyrical in bars and be upset easily.
-Membership of a crap band.
Going out is Poland is expensive if you like booze, dating and eating good food. Electronic goods and clothes are costly too. At 1,500 GBP/square metre, flats cost more than anywhere in the UK outside London and a few major cities.
If you are a celibate, abstinent, vegetarian who shares a flat and enjoys walking, yeah Poland's cheap. |
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