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XiaoBilly



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: ECC Interview offer, with some other potential interviews... Reply with quote

Hi. I have lurked these forums for awhile and wanted to ask for some advice.

My major was Japanese. I studied abroad for a year in Japan at an education university. I took some language and education classes there (in Japanese) and came back to the states to graduate and get a TEFL certificate from my university this year. I also tutored for a company while I was in Japan for five months, as well as some side tutoring.

Right now I am applying to a lot of jobs. Ideally I would like a job sometime this fall. The earlier the better. I have my degree and TEFL certificate, so I have no need to be here in the states any more. I have an interview offer for ECC, but it would cost me over $500 to attend since I would have to take a plane (I live in Florida). I also have one e-mail from a smaller eikaiwa that said that they are giving my resume deep consideration, and two others that gave me a response that they are currently reviewing applications now. There are lots of Eikaiwas I am applying too.

With my degree and qualifications, should I pass up the ECC interview? I feel confident with my teaching ability, but I've read about how they want someone ultra energetic. I can be genki. My past students liked my lessons and improved, but I'm not sure if I can meet the expectations of what I read on these forums and Gaijin Pot.

With my qualifications and experience, should I hold out for a place that isn't so expensive to apply to? I know the job market is tight now, but I have good references in Japan and the states. I am trying to use my contacts to find work too...trying more then just whats online. I think I made my decision, but since ECC is located in Tokyo ans Osaka (and surrounding areas), I thought they might be good to look for future jobs.

Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: ECC Interview offer, with some other potential interview Reply with quote

XiaoBilly wrote:
With my degree and qualifications, should I pass up the ECC interview?
IMO, no. The market here is very competitive right now. More teachers than jobs. ECC is also a fairly good place to work for.

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I feel confident with my teaching ability, but I've read about how they want someone ultra energetic. I can be genki. My past students liked my lessons and improved, but I'm not sure if I can meet the expectations of what I read on these forums and Gaijin Pot.
Just what "ultra energetic expectations" have you read about? You've been here and had a taste of teaching. ECC is a pretty standard eikaiwa. The idea is to get students to do most of the talking. I don't know ECC's teaching format specifically, but the game plan is pretty much the same all over. You're going to be expected to be genki in any eikaiwa.

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I know the job market is tight now, but I have good references in Japan and the states.
Your qualifications are only slightly better than the average newcomer. Don't think any differently.

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I am trying to use my contacts to find work too...trying more then just whats online. I think I made my decision, but since ECC is located in Tokyo ans Osaka (and surrounding areas), I thought they might be good to look for future jobs.
You really aren't going to find that many places that are willing to interview you from the comfort of your own American home. Settle for what you can find right now (meaning, attend the ECC interview; it's not a guarantee you'll get it, but I've already said it's a good employer, and you aren't going to get many more offers until you come here to look around), or fill your pockets with $4000-5000 and come a'hunting.
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projectrook



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be a little biased but, ECC is really one of if not the best eikaiwas to work for right now. For starters, out of the major ones, they are really all that is left. While there are still a lot of the mid to smaller ones around with the exception of places like GABA (which you dont want to work for IMO), ECC can offer a little more in stability.

I was in an almost same position as you. I was offered the interview and I really wasn't too keen on having to pocket the flight out for the interview. But "it takes money to make money" sometimes, and I figured I might as well do it. Well the end of that story is I was offered a job and I have been here for some time now working for ECC and I have not had anything to complain about thus far.

As for your degrees and experience, as Genski said, they don't offer you much of an advantage. While they might raise a few eyebrows, I wouldn't expect a new set of doors to open for you. Really, the only thing for us that can do that is actual and practical experience in Japan. This is for several reasons but the most obvious one is that a Japanese person most likely will have no idea what your degree or cert means. And tutoring in Japan, even if for a company really isn't seen as much of anything. I did almost the same for about 9 months when I was an exchange student as well, and all I got pretty much was an "oh, ok".

As for being genki, well that just comes with the job. Eikaiwas are "a school and a business". And more importantly, an expensive luxury item in a poor economy. Since kids lessons are really the money maker for an eikaiwa, you have to keep them entertained and learning at the same time. If the kids aren't happy, the parents aren't happy, and then the money is gone. Also, with what has happend to a few other schools, right now the Japanese public is worried about the business as a whole. When one school goes down (or a few for that matter), some will assume that all of them are going down and taking their money with them. I only mention this because I would have to guess that for the time being, offered interviews and positions are going to take a drop.

Don't know if any of this helped or not, but that was my two cents.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

projectrook wrote:
I might be a little biased but, ECC is really one of if not the best eikaiwas to work for right now. For starters, out of the major ones, they are really all that is left.
Are you forgetting AEON?

And, in some areas there are smaller chains like James English School and Peppy Kids Club.

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Also, with what has happend to a few other schools, right now the Japanese public is worried about the business as a whole. When one school goes down (or a few for that matter), some will assume that all of them are going down and taking their money with them.
NOVA and GEOS went bankrupt for different reasons, and the majority of their teachers were picked up by G.com, but there are other outfits that have crashed and burned without a big news flurry or any word whether someone picked up the pieces. NCB, Trendy House just to name 2. As projectrook wrote, when people see places like GEOS or NCB closed without warning, they become leery of taking on the next eikaiwa, whether or not it has people from the other failed businesses. Understandable.

And, yes, employers may very well take that public perception and its results (lower student numbers, as much as 50%) and hire fewer teachers, but the bottom line beyond that is that there are still people trying to make a living in Japan, and many are still planning to come here. So, the glut remains if not expands. I have not seen any reports (yet) that show trends in hiring since the NOVA fallout in 2007, whether there are truly fewer slots, but you can count on it. As for any trends in the manner in which employers may have reconsidered hiring people, especially newcomers, no news is out yet. One might hope that some eager reporter would try for this, but perhaps it is still too early for any stable trend to show.
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XiaoBilly



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input. I will apply for the interview. I think I might just request some of the later interview dates just in case if something comes through with the other places I applied too. That way if a miracle happens and I get a job offer by the end of the month, I don't have to go to Canada and ask off time from my current job. If I have to go, at least I have the chance to interview.

And James English School is one of the places I am waiting a reply from. It's actually my first choice if possible, especially if it's in their Sendai office (but Fukushima would be nice too).
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Rakuten



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys Smile

And, in regard to your OP, I think ECC is really one of the better companies to work for after doing some research on the Eikaiwa business since the fall of Nova and Geos.

They have seemingly some of the better benefit packages, Japanese lessons available to their teachers and I haven't seen a whole lot of criticism about their company online/forums.

If you choose to attend the interview, goodluck!


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Rakis



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send another e-mail to confirm their receipt of the e-mail, perhaps with the volume of e-mails their recruitment department gets yours may have been taken but not replied to.

ECC will always, or almost always, write confirmation e-mails or replies to questions sent to them.

That story was true a year or two ago, they are always hiring because the teacher's position has such a high turnover (for some it's not the right gig, among other reasons to leave). If you are placed on the wait list most, if they haven't found a different job, will be sent over in the next training group.

New recruits are sent over regularly. Like a lot of schools across Japan, August and September will probably be the next mini-season.
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mdoor



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
..ECC is also a fairly good place to work for...
I have read both good and bad about ECC. Maybe it just depends on a specific location. What did you find good about working for ECC? How long did you work for them?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not worked for ECC, mdoor. Just heard what I reported in the past 13 years.
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Rakuten



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice Smile

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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rakuten wrote:
My worry is that, I don't want to press the matter if they just simply weren't interested in my application, as that may seem a bit tacky.

Why are you worried about seeming tacky?
If they didn't like you app, then they will tell you so and you never have to speak to them again. So what they think of you wouldn't matter.
OTOH, big employers normally send you a bot-mail to confirm receipt of your app then won't follow up if they are not interested. The fact that you received nothing at all means you might have mis-typed your email address. They might have been interested and could be wondering why you are not responding to their follow up mails. If you don't try to contact them you'll never know.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rakuten wrote:
So, would you or any others suggest me sending ECC a follow-up mail regarding my application? Or, would that be considered in bad taste...
You've already been told here to do that.

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I would only ask due to the fact that I never received a confirmation mail or any contact from them whatsoever since I submitted my application.


As for the situation, you said you "have an interview offer for ECC". What did it say? I presume it gave you a data and location, and they are probably waiting for you, not vice versa to make contact.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rakuten wrote:
Glenski wrote:
As for the situation, you said you "have an interview offer for ECC". What did it say? I presume it gave you a data and location, and they are probably waiting for you, not vice versa to make contact.


Actually, I never got an interview with ECC. In fact I never heard from them at all (after submitting the online application), which is why I was asking if I should send them a follow up E-mail.
Sorry, I got you confused with another poster here. If you don't hear from an employer after a month, assume they were not interested. Don't take it personally, just move on.

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Anyway, thanks for the advice guys. I will send them a follow-up Email just to confirm the receipt of my application. I too, just found it a little weird that a company as big as ECC wouldn't give any confirmation that they had received my application. I would rather go out on a limb and make sure they have my correct Email, rather than not, and miss a possible interview opportunity.
Won't hurt to confirm. But don't be surprised that a big place doesn't send confirmations. Perhaps they have too many applications to do so. Happens all the time.
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ironclad80



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: ECC Interview offer, with some other potential interview Reply with quote

XiaoBilly wrote:
My major was Japanese. I studied abroad for a year in Japan at an education university. I took some language and education classes there (in Japanese) and came back to the states to graduate and get a TEFL certificate from my university this year. I also tutored for a company while I was in Japan for five months, as well as some side tutoring.


Japanese language ability and a TEFL won't help or hurt your chances with ECC.
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