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Just got HIRED by ADEC in Abu Dhabi....
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Hey MM... good to see you here again. Do you have any idea of what the turnover is of ADEC teachers? Is the politics burning some people out rather quickly?

Who is teaching IELTS to the teachers?

VS


I know! I've been MIA. Smile The turnover is quite high-especially in the boondock schools. Incoming teachers who end up around Abu Dhabi city are grateful in comparison to their colleagues in the sticks. Politics and culture shock for those living outside of the cities seem to be behind a lot of the runners. Factor ADEC into the equation, and you have a recipe for a runner.

I think ECAE, ADEC's brainchild for a teacher education institition, is doing the IELTS training.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is good... ECAE has the right faculty to be teaching IELTS. I was afraid that they might be using the Teachaway people who are K-12 credentialed... not IELTS experienced.

It must really be difficult out in the schools in the boonies and I don't suppose that most of these teachers, who often have no overseas experience - no less Middle East experience, burn out quickly.

VS
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is good... ECAE has the right faculty to be teaching IELTS.


Probably as much as any tertiary institution here. From the sound of things, they need their own thread up here on Dave's. Rolling Eyes
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Takahiwai



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: ADEC KG curriculum Reply with quote

LS0808 - the curriculum is changing next year, possibly due to ADEC's new bright plan (tone of sarcasm should be read here) to introduce team-teaching to the kindergartens - that is to say they plan to have one LT and one local/Arabic-speaking teacher for each class. At present, nobody - I'm including ADEC here! - has any idea what the curriculum will be, so I can't help you out on that one. As to dress code etc., be warned that the principal is the queen of her realm, and each school is different, so you may be able to wear reasonably conservative 'Western' clothes, or you may be expected to don a shayla and abaya. Do not expect ADEC to help you out on that one, as they seem pretty unwilling/unable to actually support their LTs in the schools, hence the reason why they are foisting responsibility off onto the provider companies next year.

Speaking as one who lives in the 'boondocks', I have to say that the impact of the LTs has been largely negative. This is largely due to the fact that most of them seem to think they have carte blanche to behave just as they would back home, and this doesn't go unnoticed, even in larger places. Out in the boonies, where people have little else to do but 'people-watch', it has created a significant amount of bad feeling towards Westerners where none seemed to exist before. Obviously, there are several honourable exceptions to my sweeping generalisation, and we've been lucky to have some of those exceptions working in the school where I'm based. Most others haven't been so lucky.

Having said all that, I hope your time in the UAE will be enjoyable, and if you have any questions you'd like to PM me, I'll be happy to answer them as candidly as possible. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi VS,
I don't know about the other provider company schools, but in those run by the company for whom I work IELTS training is provided by the EFL trainer appointed to each school. Many of these people had no prior knowledge of the IELTS exam before ADEC decided to adopt it as a measure of English language capability, so they've been on a steep learning curve to learn about the exam and how to prepare the teachers for it. It all seems pretty absurd to me - the notion that kindergarten and primary school teachers need a 5.5 IELTS (Academic) score in order to do what? Deliver university-level lectures to toddlers and small children?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It all seems pretty absurd to me - the notion that kindergarten and primary school teachers need a 5.5 IELTS (Academic) score in order to do what? Deliver university-level lectures to toddlers and small children?
I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as possible the children will be exposed to "proper" English that is as close as possible to native speaker.

VS
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takahiwai wrote:
Hi VS,
I don't know about the other provider company schools, but in those run by the company for whom I work IELTS training is provided by the EFL trainer appointed to each school. Many of these people had no prior knowledge of the IELTS exam before ADEC decided to adopt it as a measure of English language capability, so they've been on a steep learning curve to learn about the exam and how to prepare the teachers for it. It all seems pretty absurd to me - the notion that kindergarten and primary school teachers need a 5.5 IELTS (Academic) score in order to do what? Deliver university-level lectures to toddlers and small children?


The problem is that general accuracy comes around a band 6 speaking IELTS. The students in public schools here have had years of grammatically inaccurate language. Having seen a lot of the primary school teachers here, the majority of them don't speak at a band 6.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: ADEC KG curriculum 2010/2011 Reply with quote

@VS
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I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as possible the children will be exposed to "proper" English that is as close as possible to native speaker.


I understand the concept behind the notion, but IELTS is a very specific exam for foreign, non-native-English-speaking students who want to study in English-speaking countries, or in universities where English is the main medium of communication. I still don't quite get how that has any relevance or usefulness to a bunch of teachers in a one-horse town where English is way down the list of languages spoken. Local teachers here have no hope of studying away from home (at least it's very, very rare) and there are other internationally recognised English exams (KET, PET, FCE) which would be far more appropriate for their situation, and far more useful for their teaching to primary/kindergarten age children. It's all a moot point anyway, since the latest great idea from ADEC is to simply replace all teachers in primary education with foreigners. What a slap in the face for dedicated teachers who have done wonders in the appropriation of English, in order to teach their classes, but still do not measure up on the IELTS scale. I hope you'll excuse me if I sound rather bitter here, but I've lived through this whole IELTS thing, and seen great teachers lose their jobs as a result of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:15 am    Post subject: Re: ADEC KG curriculum 2010/2011 Reply with quote

Takahiwai wrote:
@VS
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I'd guess that the idea is that as soon as possible the children will be exposed to "proper" English that is as close as possible to native speaker.


I understand the concept behind the notion, but IELTS is a very specific exam for foreign, non-native-English-speaking students who want to study in English-speaking countries, or in universities where English is the main medium of communication. I still don't quite get how that has any relevance or usefulness to a bunch of teachers in a one-horse town where English is way down the list of languages spoken. Local teachers here have no hope of studying away from home (at least it's very, very rare) and there are other internationally recognised English exams (KET, PET, FCE) which would be far more appropriate for their situation, and far more useful for their teaching to primary/kindergarten age children. It's all a moot point anyway, since the latest great idea from ADEC is to simply replace all teachers in primary education with foreigners. What a slap in the face for dedicated teachers who have done wonders in the appropriation of English, in order to teach their classes, but still do not measure up on the IELTS scale. I hope you'll excuse me if I sound rather bitter here, but I've lived through this whole IELTS thing, and seen great teachers lose their jobs as a result of it.


Completely agree with you here. I'm sorry to hear that you had to experience this ludicrous situation at first hand.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree too... the reliance on inappropriate tests is something that has haunted the TEFL field forever.

VS
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The teachers ought to do CEELT, the Cambridge Examination for English Language teachers, which is an exam in English which looks specifically at the language a teacher needs to manage the classroom and to teach the language itself through the medium of English. But I guess the 'experts' at ADEC haven't heard of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamherebecause wrote:
The teachers ought to do CEELT, the Cambridge Examination for English Language teachers, which is an exam in English which looks specifically at the language a teacher needs to manage the classroom and to teach the language itself through the medium of English. But I guess the 'experts' at ADEC haven't heard of it.


This would indeed be a far more appropriate examination. An Academic IELTS is the worst, most inappropriate choice one could possibly make, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bje wrote:
An Academic IELTS is the worst, most inappropriate choice one could possibly make, in my opinion.
Well, the TOEFL would be even worse. They don't even work for the university foundations courses... so many of the students levels are way too low to even register.

VS
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bje wrote:
An Academic IELTS is the worst, most inappropriate choice one could possibly make, in my opinion.
Well, the TOEFL would be even worse. They don't even work for the university foundations courses... so many of the students levels are way too low to even register.VS


You're right- it would be worse yet. They don't come much worse than the TOEFL, IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dislike them both about equally. Laughing One is too American and the other is too British. Both are too advanced for elementary teachers to have to deal with.

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