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Ranking of schools based on national exam results - SEP
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FreddyM



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
I was going to mention your school Freddy, in this thread...you nailed it though.

Your school has a connection to Utah does it not? Does your school get any oversight from the American systems there or are they connected only loosely?


Well, I won't mention the school's name for obvious reasons. It doesn't have any connection to Utah as far as I know, but its English program has some kind of accreditation with a community college from Canada, as well its much-touted connected to the University of Cambridge because of the exams it uses. I will say this much though, in its favor, the Cambridge exams the students have to take are at least very strictly adhered to by the university standards, I don't think any cheating takes place there. But at least at the very lowest levels, primary and early secondary school, I don't think the tests are that much of a challenge either.
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mejms



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread on the state of colegios in the country. Gregd75 is up in arms whenever language institutes are largely criticized. Isn't there anyone who'll come to the defense of colegios?

As a parent, I can't believe what these schools charge for tuition and enrollment. As a parent and a professional, I can't believe that schools get away with it. In my experience at least, I've found that parents are pretty uninvolved. I've neither seen evidence of any sort parent teacher organization nor anything like an open house at the schools I've visited. At the school where my son is now I got a 15 minute conference with his two teachers that was just full of generic comments and, when I was asking for some particulars, an alarm went off and we were on our way. I ended up speaking to the director of Kindergarten and the director of the school. When I mentioned the fact that there was no communication from the school on some sort of personal level, I was told that "no news is good news." After the meeting, there was never any follow-up from them. This is one of the more "presitigous" colegios in the area.

Schools seem to have no professional standard for excellence. They rely heavily on renowned Cambridge and Trinity certifications. Teachers come a dime a dozen. There are, from what I've seen, no real standards for native teachers-- just someone who'll be there and go through the motions. I'd love to get in the field one day and try do it right-- maybe open a school one day-- but the thing is that maybe most people don't seem to care if it's done right or not.

What about TEC de Monterrey? People with experience with it, how would you rank it compared to universities in the US and elsewhere?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject: Monterrey Tech Reply with quote

I am only familiar with the Tec by reputation. I've known a couple of graduates and they also knew English pretty well. And I have a MBA friend who was an economics prof at TCU in Texas and taught for them at their Chihuahua campus.

They are accredited by the Southern Association of Schools and Colleges in the US so their classes are generally tranferrable to unis in the US and their degrees get equal status. Their MBA program is accredited in the US and UK, too.

They have branch sites all over Mexico and a lot of prepa schools. I don't know about accreditation for these except that they do have bilingual curriculae. They like to hire only teachers and profs with master's and above... and all of their programs have expensive tuition. But they do seem to be far above appearances only.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They have branch sites all over Mexico and a lot of prepa schools. I don't know about accreditation for these except that they do have bilingual curriculae. They like to hire only teachers and profs with master's and above... and all of their programs have expensive tuition. But they do seem to be far above appearances only.


A friend of mine once said that schools here are basically one step below schools in the states. Kids in High School are more like Junior High students in terms of academic levels and academic expectations. College pretty much works the same, he said. College students here by and large do some pretty basic things that would be covered in High School in the states.

From my experience, I can see his point.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps there will be (in Mexico) when education stops being a private business, and the government gets out of the drug trade and starts paying attention to what they should be doing.


Here, here!

So what do parents here on Dave's do with their kids? Where do they send them to school, given the options of 1) spending a lot and getting less than what you pay for; 2) spending a moderate amount and getting hardly anything at all?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter is only 12 months old and not yet in school, but schooling costs down the road are an issue we've been talking about lots. My girlfriend gets a significant discount where she works (one of the top schools in the country), but even with the discount it will be pricey.

Public school is not an option we're entertaining at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My girlfriend gets a significant discount where she works (one of the top schools in the country)


Where's that?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps home schooling? After all, are we not teachers?


I have a bad impression of home schooling, primarily because of the social factor. Kids aren't home schooled here, so when one is, he's on his own. There was a Canadian woman who home schooled her kid, and the child was socially isolated.

Furthermore, I've got a lot on my plate between work and family. I can't take on the added responsibility of educating my child on top of that. My responsibility is making money. When I'm with my family, I like to just enjoy them and find moments to teach my kid a thing or two. I wouldn't be his full-time teacher, though.

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They've also told me that if and when they ever return to the USA, they believe the kids will have to 'go back' 2 years to be on par.


That's what I'm afraid. There really are no good options for schools. You just gotta suck it up and say, well, they'll learn somewhere down the road. It's ludicrous bull**** that you can pay a small fortune for education here and still be behind in the game.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, one bad homeschooler isn't all homeschoolers. When I lived in the US I taught Spanish to a large homeschool group, and the kids were great - easily the best group I have ever taught. They had plenty of social activities, and were socially fine, in fact, I think, better than fine, as they were accustomed to interacting with kids of different ages, as well as adults. And though homeschooling kids, just like any others, run the gamut in terms of intelligence, most of the kids were a year or two ahead, and those who had trouble learning had the luxury of being able to be taught at their own pace, without being made to feel dumb. Later, I tutored one kid from this group on his own in Spanish, and he was a very mature young man, he was also quite advanced, and while he didn't have a large social circle, he had several good friends, and a number of outside activities - he played violin, played in a chess club, etc. In large cities in the US homeschooling is becoming more and more common, as the schools are often crap, and dangerous to boot. Many school systems are now getting in on it by offering online classes, complete with live teachers, etc. The couple of programs I have looked at were very impressive, and had very high standards.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mejms wrote:
So what do parents here on Dave's do with their kids?

When we arrived in Mexico, my 3 kids were Grade 5, 3 and K. We sent the older two to a private school that was one of those little neighbourhood private schools that you see practically on every 2nd corner. The cost (for full-time schooling) was the same as what we'd been paying back in Canada for their piano lessons, 45 minutes per week, so it didn't seem all that expensive. The little one was sent to public kindergarten. There were 45 kids in her class! The teacher was first-class; really excellent.

When she graduated to Grade 1, we sent her to the same private school as her older sibs.

As each one graduated Grade 6, we sent them to public secundaria. After that, they did prepa at the ENP, the UNAM prepa. The last one just graduated from it this past month.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what do parents here on Dave's do with their kids? Where do they send them to school, given the options of 1) spending a lot and getting less than what you pay for; 2) spending a moderate amount and getting hardly anything at all?


We have two kids. They went to school in Honduras last year, the school covered tuition. We supplemented a bit at home and my 1st grader went to 3rd grade for English and phonics.
Next year we will be in Mexico. Both will attend the school we work at and their tuition will be covered by the school.
I don't think I would consider working at a school that my kids could not attend.
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