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Work Permits, visa problems, and rumors
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deadlift



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

londo wrote:
I also think the upper-level schools and institutes (Apollo, RMIT et al)


Apollo is "upper-level"? On a par with RMIT?

For real?
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londo



Joined: 27 Apr 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In sense of reputation maybe not, in terms of quality........ummm?

there seem to be many RMIT students around who need to spend extra money for extra tuition at the moment, so maybe the question should not be 'is Apollo as good as RMIT?' but 'is RMIT losing it's quality English tuition?'

As I've said elsewhere, I think the whole TEFL 'industry' is in crisis in Vietnam at the moment, which is where corporate specialists are stepping in....pretty much the same in accounting, auditing, marketing and a dozen other subjects, the difference is, we don't see so much a private education crisis in these subjects but across the board companies are fed up with the low quality of education.
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jb0072009



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only crisis I see is not the quality of the English teachers but of the schools themselves. Many are caught up in a very competitive business with many schools around and have a price war going on. Only the big boys can keep tuition levels stable. It looks like the Walmart effect: the big boys will put the little boys out of business. It is sad because many of the smaller schools offer quality instruction and fewer students per class (which I believe is very important in ESL) but the Viets are very name conscious like many other Asian countries so if the school is not ILA, Cleaverlearn, VUS, CELFTA,VATC and a few others they think the school sucks even though it might actually be very good but newer
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fred haliot



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just read in the Vietnam news that the government are pushing for more English language schools nationwide, but a government spokesman said that there are not enough teachers because many are resigning their positions, he stated that they are leaving because of "low wages".
that says it all about Vitnam logic.
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londo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, but the spokesman was talking about the new compulsory English classes in state primary schools, not private 'language schools' and about state teachers who earn an average of $100 a month in the cities and even less in the boondocks.

No government spokesman, or even any Viet is going to say a foreigner who earns 15-20 times average wage is being paid too little!!!
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Mattingly



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fred haliot wrote:
I have just read in the Vietnam news that the government are pushing for more English language schools nationwide, but a government spokesman said that there are not enough teachers because many are resigning their positions, he stated that they are leaving because of "low wages".
that says it all about Vitnam logic.


Government teaching jobs pay very little and the hours are long.

The burnout rate is high. VNese teachers don't stay in education very long.
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vietexpat2008



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just heard three month business visas are pretty easy to get at the moment. Anyone care to update us on the current situation? Has anyone got a 3 month business visa recently?
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CThomas



Joined: 21 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vietexpat2008 wrote:
I just heard three month business visas are pretty easy to get at the moment. Anyone care to update us on the current situation? Has anyone got a 3 month business visa recently?


I just got mine extended for the second time. I don't know the status on getting initial visas.
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Minella



Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just wondering; I am thinking of accepting a job offer in Vietnam but I am going there with a tourist visa (from Turkey). The school agreed to get me a 3 month visa once I am in Vietnam, and then extend it to 6 months or 1 year depending on the length of the contract. Shall I trust this? I mean would there be a problem to get a work permit once I am there?
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CThomas



Joined: 21 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minella wrote:
I am just wondering; I am thinking of accepting a job offer in Vietnam but I am going there with a tourist visa (from Turkey). The school agreed to get me a 3 month visa once I am in Vietnam, and then extend it to 6 months or 1 year depending on the length of the contract. Shall I trust this? I mean would there be a problem to get a work permit once I am there?


You can extend a 3-month visa 2x, which theoretically gives you 9 mos to get a WP. Sometimes you can do weird things like end your contract at 90 days, then start a new one. Employers do this kind of stuff sometimes. I don't know how they could extend a visa like what you're describing, though.

As for the WP, read the plethora of info on this forum and then you're just going to have to make a decision.
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snollygoster



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:09 am    Post subject: WORK PERMIT Reply with quote

Minella, Cleverlearn will get you your Work Permit- Be guided by what they say about this.
Their franchise agreement dictates that they are obliged to assist you arrange this (I assume you will be a full-time teacher).
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