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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: courses |
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Returning to my advice about giving preference to a well-recognised course, even if it does cost more. Here's a sliver from the application criteria from a very recent ad from a school in Russia:
* Hold a certificate in Teaching English as a Foreign Language (The Cambridge CELTA, the Trinity College London TESOL etc)
I.e. the two named are clearly trusted. You could get through with an etc, but the named ones are likely to offer an edge (as it did in one of my recent jobs). |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: I would agree with Cole... |
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I have Trinity TESOL and it is widely recognised,although do bear in mind that there are a number of countries that insist on a Bachelor degree as well,although it doesn't always have to be in English language:some examples are Japan,Korea,Thailand,Turkey,Greece,Hungary etc where the law requires this to give a work permit to teachers.Other places depend on the discretion and choice of the employer. |
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eslcowboy
Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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i would say that teaching in russia is prohibitively difficult. getting the visa can be a real pain in the ass and you can expect problems. unless you know russia a bit, i wouldn't recommend jumping into any job which seems a bit odd or a school that seems to be disorganized. unfortunately, that means you'll probably end up working for some english mill school, and they are pretty bad there. but at least you'll probably have all your docs in order... |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: I would agree with Cole... |
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maruss wrote: |
... that there are a number of countries that insist on a Bachelor degree as well,although it doesn't always have to be in English language... |
I would alter this to say that many countries, and most employers, insist on a degree; it usually does not have to be in English, as long as you have a suitable TEFL certificate as well. |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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eslcowboy wrote: |
i would say that teaching in russia is prohibitively difficult. getting the visa can be a real pain in the ass and you can expect problems. unless you know russia a bit, i wouldn't recommend jumping into any job which seems a bit odd or a school that seems to be disorganized. unfortunately, that means you'll probably end up working for some english mill school, and they are pretty bad there. but at least you'll probably have all your docs in order... |
If the school provides the right documentation, getting the visa (in my opinion) is not difficult, just expensive. All you've got to do is go to the Russian consulate's web site in your home country and check out their requirements. I usually find that once I receive my employer's documents, I can get the visa turned round pretty quickly, using an agent or by myself. Knowing Russia or Russian is not necessary, as they provide the necessary information in English as well as in Russian. |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: Well said Cole! |
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As a general rule,the more inconvenience your are prepared to put up with,the more you can save financially on agents etc.Of course if you live a long way from the Embassy you will have travelling time and expenses,plus the hours they tend to open at etc.Russian visas are quite expensive for U.K. passport holders(but Russians will say we charge them a lot too!) and one of my big advantages was being able to use my Cypriot passport,for which visa fees were much lower than they would have been with my U.K. one.I was also told by a friend in London quite recently that the Russian Embassy there no longer issues visas to individuals who want to go and arrange them personally and you now have to use their appointed agents to make the arrangements,obviously at a fee!So I would advise people to verify this-mind you queuing outside in the rain etc. was quite a miserable way of spending what could be several hours to make the initial application! |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, in London, instead of the Russian Consulate, the process has been outsourced. It's much nicer than queuing outside the consulate, but twice as expensive. |
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dav06012
Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is this impossible? |
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coledavis wrote: |
technodrome wrote: |
Ok, it's clearly not impossible -- there are many of you teaching in Russia right now, some of you novices -- but has it become "prohibitively difficult" for someone looking to break in? Are most of the openings nowadays little better than traps (the good ones having gone to veterans with insider knowledge)? I'm considering getting a SIT Tesol certification in the Spring in the hopes of teaching in Fall 2010. As far as I can tell, it's a respectable program, but should I take seriously their claim that they can help me find/vet prospective schools? I'm also pretty spooked by comments I've read here about the ruble's instability. I doubt any school pegs salaries to other currencies and am wondering what strategies folks here use to protect themselves.[/b] |
Answering your questions in the order you've asked:
No, I don't think it has become prohibitively difficult to break in. See next answer.
No, I don't consider the beginners' openings to be 'traps'. The deal, if you're new to TEFL and maybe also to Russia, is that you work for BKC, English First, Linguistic thingy. The conditions aren't that good, especially in terms of pay - but that's market forces, because you're new and therefore, initially, of limited value to students and employers (sorry, that's how it is, rather than how you would like it to be). There's a big but, however: but they should look after you in your new accommodation and you get to develop. And if there isn't a job available in the Moscow or St Pete's MacJob, then go to China or somewhere. Either way, once you've done your 6/9/12 months in that first job, you're well on your way to being in a position to find jobs that you want. (Again, returning to the unfortunate realities, it is only after you've got some experience and a good track record that you become worthwhile to the better, usually smaller employers, who have to think long and hard before they start making visa applications - remember, they have to go through quite a lot before they can send you an invitation - why would this be done for a newbie who might walk out in 2 weeks flat?)
I don't know how much your course can help you find a new job. Most courses offer this. You normally, however, get shown the decent web sites (such as this one) and perhaps one or two schools they happen to know.
As for respectable courses, if you want respectable, do something else. Some schools don't care which TESOL, but to widen your acceptability to those who do discriminate, pay that little bit extra and do either the CELTA or the Trinity. If you look at advertisements (again, whether you like it or not), you'll find CELTA mentioned most often, Trinity next and that's it. These courses are at least regulated. So you can be reasonably sure you'll get good quality training and you'll be able to compete more successfully in what you've already suggested is a difficult market.
Spooking. Yes, there's been a fair amount of that, discernable in your comments about 'traps', which are really just the reality for new TEFLers.
I regard comments about the unstable ruble/rouble (how do we spell it these days?) as typical. I've been to Russia about 8 times in the last few years. I can only compare the ruble to the pound, being a Brit (and sterling can be unstable too), but I've always found the pound to be worth between 40 and 50 rubles. What you really need to find out about is the cost of living: how far does the salary go in the area you're going to? Also, find out what you're getting free (e.g. do you get a free flat, free internet, free bills?). The best thing to do is to speak to somebody who is also working at the school or who has been there. All other comments should be treated as generalisations. |
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