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Teaching at a Chinese University?

 
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:57 pm    Post subject: Teaching at a Chinese University? Reply with quote

I'm keen to hear the type of teaching, class sizes and how often you see the same students in a typical university setting in China, and this interest is purely from a teaching viewpoint. I already know benefits such as long holidays etc.

Although I have never worked in a Uni, I did teach in a college for 18 months in Hainan. This was a vocational college for students who didnt pass the Uni entrance exam, and I am guessing the set up is similar?

At this college I had classes of between 20 - 50 students, the large student groups (around 50) I only saw for one 45 min lesson per week. The smaller classes of around 20 I only saw for one 90 min lesson weekly. Im guessing this is similar to Uni teaching???

These classes were not streamed according to ability, and as a result of both class size and contact time, I felt the actual 'teaching' wasnt really very satisfying, wasn't especially effective, and class sizes meant effective monitoring and addressing language points and other issues was also just so so.

Im comparing this to my more recent experience of working in a private language college teaching adults. Typical class sizes 6 - 8 students....contact time per week of 5 x 90 min lessons with the same group. This meant monitoring, language points, pronunciation issues etc could be addressed much easier (or perhaps still not at all, depending on the teacher!). Overall, I think the actual teaching experience and results were far better.

Can someone currently working in a Chinese Uni let me know what kind of teaching and contact hours you guys get, and how you feel about the teaching and students that you have? I know Uni benefits mostly outweigh training centres, but Im wondering if the training centre gig offers a better teaching experience, which is actually my priority.
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hot_water_hillbilly



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copy your previous university experience and paste here. It's exactly the same. There is no variation in China.
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teachaus



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can vary quite a lot in Chinese University for a couple of reasons. One is the level of the university you are teaching in and the overall quality of students you are teaching. The other is the actual subject you are responsible for teaching. My university is relatively competitive to enter and the overall level of the students is relatively high. In my University FTs are involved in teaching both Oral English and Content English classes. Some teach Undergraduate students, others teach post graduate students. The post grad classes are primarily Oral English. The Undergraduate classes are either Content Classes for English majors or Oral English for English majors or as elective classes for non-English majors. My class sizes this year ranged from 8 to 32. My universities usual maximum for undergraduate oral english classes is around 20
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching at a Chinese University? Reply with quote

nickpellatt wrote:
At this college I had classes of between 20 - 50 students, the large student groups (around 50) I only saw for one 45 min lesson per week. The smaller classes of around 20 I only saw for one 90 min lesson weekly. Im guessing this is similar to Uni teaching???

These classes were not streamed according to ability, and as a result of both class size and contact time, I felt the actual 'teaching' wasnt really very satisfying, wasn't especially effective, and class sizes meant effective monitoring and addressing language points and other issues was also just so so.

Im comparing this to my more recent experience of working in a private language college teaching adults. Typical class sizes 6 - 8 students....contact time per week of 5 x 90 min lessons with the same group. This meant monitoring, language points, pronunciation issues etc could be addressed much easier (or perhaps still not at all, depending on the teacher!). Overall, I think the actual teaching experience and results were far better.

even though class sizes are typically large in university oral english classes here, it doesnt take long to realize you're really only dealing with a core group of 5-10 eager students. the rest of them are simply along for the ride and have little interest in being there and/or taking part, so the teacher's main focus is usually limited to the front row.

I might add that a once a week foreign language class with large numbers doesn't always equate to poor quality. What it comes down to more than anything are the students and their willingness to participate regardless of the numbers. I've had oral English classes that were structured to get everyone talking but if half of them don't want to say anything, then that's their problem.

I myself have a second language that I learned at university - my first and second year classes and my grammar class were all between 20-30 students each. Once we got to the higher levels, translation and advanced speaking classes, they became much smaller. My point is that large class or small, private language school or university, students can only learn so much in the classroom before they have to venture out to the real world and actually use the language. This is the real test.

A final note, the best students in our university are quite good. I'd put them up against the students from any language mill any day.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching at a Chinese University? Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:

I might add that a once a week foreign language class with large numbers doesn't always equate to poor quality.


I think the quality issues might be just me Cleric! I think you have to play to your strengths, and I think I work better with small classes and frequent contact. I think maybe my 'skills' may be better suited to training centres, and perhaps even the likes of EF/Aston/Wall Street etc.

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Training centres and language schools get a lot of flack on forums, whilst Uni teaching tends to be highly praised, yet most of these threads tend to centre around the benefits and the bosses rather than the teaching itself. That was why I posted this query as the actual teaching is of more interest to me than the benefits/bosses. Maybe I have just been lucky, maybe I am just better suited to one type of teaching rather than the other.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wherever you're happy. that's the main thing.
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bradley



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach each class only once, two periods at a time. The standard contract is for 14 periods a week, but I can get extra hours here so I am doing 24 now.
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