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chaz47
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 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: What benefits to expect at a Chinese university? |
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What benefits should I be expecting at a university in China?
* Vacation?
I had heard years ago that China was the king of vacations for university instructors. But now that I'm applying to these universities the offers of vacation run pretty slim.
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| Holiday:2 days for Christmas, others are same to local teachers. |
What does "same to local teachers" entail?
* Salary?
It seems that 4,500 to 5,500 RMB is the typical range. With a BA, 120 hour TESOL certificate and near 5 years experience where should I expect to fall in this range?
* Teaching hours?
Again, I'd heard that in China a university FT gets loads and loads of free time but most offers I've seen start at 18 hours a week. That is high even by Korean standards.
* Recruiters?
Finally, are recruiters worth it? In Korea recruiters by and large are scam artists out to make a quick buck, more often than not at your expense. Are they the same in China? Is it advisable to apply to the university directly? How much time do I have before recruitment for the fall semester is over?[/u] |
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evolving81
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that the details in your post seem like the usual offer. I'm looking for 20 or fewer teaching hours but more money. It's like finding a needle in a haystack sometimes as so many of the jobs advertised only offer 4000-4500 RMB.  |
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hot_water_hillbilly
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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DOZENS of other threads answer your exact same question.
This is the absolute norm on average. |
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chaz47
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| hot_water_hillbilly wrote: |
DOZENS of other threads answer your exact same question.
This is the absolute norm on average. |
OK, I'll search around a bit. But can you demystify the the vacation portion of my post a little at least?
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| Holiday:2 days for Christmas, others are same to local teachers. |
What sort of vacation do local teachers get? |
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evolving81
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You'll get the Chinese holidays off too, as far as I know. I think they just mention Christmas for those Westerners who are concerned. I don't really celebrate Christmas (and I believe it falls on a Saturday this year) so I wouldn't mind working. |
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Zero
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| China is communist. So it is basically from each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need. So I would basically contribute the hours that you are able to. That may be around 18, while still allowing plenty of time for lesson planning. It depends on you. And then, the state will take care of your needs. That's why the university furnishes an apartment and, typically, an inexpensive canteen. They cover utilities as well. The talk of "salaries" is nonsense. They provide you with the salary needed. Go with it. |
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evolving81
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but some Americans (myself included) are not debt-free and the money is still kind of important. The amount I save in China might be comparable to the amount I save in the U.S. considering the cost of living and accommodation. But I assume I will do some private tutoring as well. |
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teachaus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: What benefits to expect at a Chinese university? |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
What benefits should I be expecting at a university in China?
* Salary?
It seems that 4,500 to 5,500 RMB is the typical range. With a BA, 120 hour TESOL certificate and near 5 years experience where should I expect to fall in this range?
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Typically a BA would get you the 4500, a Masters Degree 5000 and a Phd 5500. That is the salary range at my university. Here having some sort of experience helps you to get the job in the first place, you will probably not get the job without it but does not increase your salary. |
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evolving81
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kind of sad that 2 years of graduate school is only worth 500 RMB... |
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Zero
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| evolving81 wrote: |
| Yeah, but some Americans (myself included) are not debt-free and the money is still kind of important. The amount I save in China might be comparable to the amount I save in the U.S. considering the cost of living and accommodation. But I assume I will do some private tutoring as well. |
Look, China is about collectivism, not western ideas of individualism and materialism. You won't get far in China with this focus on buying, selling, currency and other western notions. People will just look at you funny. In China, it doesn't matter what you own or can purchase. The idea is that everybody contributes what they can to build a harmonious society.
Maybe you should choose another country? |
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Zero
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| And another thing: The women tend to be pretty virtuous, so I wouldn't go to China with ideas of exerting corrupt western influence. |
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evolving81
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Zero wrote: |
| And another thing: The women tend to be pretty virtuous, so I wouldn't go to China with ideas of exerting corrupt western influence. |
I'm not sure who this was directed to...? |
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markcmc
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| China is a very materialist country. Individual Chinese do think of money, and they are concerned about making more money. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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for those who havent realised. Zero's post have a touch of sarcasm about them  |
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markcmc
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I missed the sarcasm - perhaps some  of these would help. |
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